Quoting the Westminster Standards on public television...

Last Tuesday, Bloomington's public television station, WTIU, broadcast a forum opposing Indiana's 1997 defense of marriage act (DOMA) passed by our legislature and signed into law by our Democratic Governor, Frank O'Bannon. Since then, the Indiana Legislature has gone on to pass another DOMA aimed at further solidifying our state's opposition to sodomite marriage by writing it into our Indiana State Constitution.

WFIU went far afield looking for someone to come on the show who would support the DOMA constitutional amendment. Everyone they asked (including one man in our church who had prior commitments) declined to serve as the loyal opposition to the producer, moderator and other two members of the panel who oppose DOMAs. The producer ended up asking if I'd be willing to do it, so after asking for advice from several, I complied and this is the result. There was much I didn't say and could have, but I was grateful for the work and hope it will be helpful to some of our good readers.

Here's the history of these DOMAs provided for us by an expert in Indiana law and politics...

In 1997, the Indiana General Assembly passed Indiana’s Defense of Marriage Act (“DOMA”). In his first term, (Democratic) Governor O’Bannon signed it into law. It declares:

  1. Only a female may marry a male. Only a male may marry a female.

  2. A marriage between persons of the same gender is void in Indiana even if the marriage is lawful in the place where it is solemnized. (footnote 1)


This law is included in the same Code chapter with other marriage safeguards, including minimum-age requirements, prohibition of polygamy, and prohibition of marriage between persons too closely related by blood. (footnote 2)

One primary purpose of the IN Focus program is to apply media pressure against the General Assembly from taking the second step in passing an identical proposed amendment. In 2011, both houses of the Indiana General Assembly passed a joint resolution to amend the Indiana Constitution. This is the first step in the state-constitution amendment process. The second step is for a separately elected General Assembly to pass an identical resolution. That can happen sometime in 2013 after the November 2012 elections. The third and final step is for the public to vote on it in a statewide election. That can happen in 2014.

The proposed constitutional amendment that passed by both legislative houses in 2011 provides:

Only a marriage between one (1) man and one (1) woman shall be valid or recognized as a marriage in Indiana. A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized. (footnote 3) 

This resolution passed 40 to 10 in the Senate and 70 to 26 in the House. This proposed amendment not only forbids homosexual marriage, it limits marriage to two persons and forbids recognition of “civil unions.”


Footnote 1: Ind. Code § 31-11-1-1.

Footnote 2: Ind. Code § 31-11-1-2 (prohibiting marriage between persons more closely related than second cousins); Indiana Code § 31-11-1-3 (prohibiting polygamy); Indiana Code § 31-11-1-4 (requiring each individual to be at least 18).

Footnote 3: House Joint Resolution 6 (2011).

Comments

Watching this was a great encouragement. You were clear, gracious, bold, and faithful. Amen!

Pastor Bayly, thank you for your faith, courage, and work! Praise God that His Word is proclaimed even on these broadcasts. I pray that many come to repentance and faith in Christ because of this work.

Love,

Paul

Well done, Tim.  A good example to us all of how to engage this debate forthrightly and with grace.  I can only imagine the show's demographics, but I'm betting you weren't speaking to the choir.

What Michael, Paul, and Ken said! 

Love,

Brian

Dear Tim,

Thank you for being willing to do this. We were both very encouraged.

Love,

A&K

Oh my stars! That piece in the middle - where the young man being interviewed blamed a teen suicide on "Gay-bashing" when he inadvertently admitted it was just bullying, not gay-bashing.  It seems they had to look very hard to find something that fit their agenda.

I'm so thankful for you witness on that program!

One last comment - Did anyone else notice the body language at the very end?  The other two panelists seem to be physically and obviously distancing themselves from Pastor Bayly.

Outstanding defence of the faith once delivered.  I add that when the rulers side with evil men they are sharers in their sin.  Both rulers and sodomites must be called to repentance and restitution.

Kamilla, I noticed body language as well. As far as I see it, the face of the guy on our left says "frantic conscience" the face of the lady in the middle says "guilty conscience" and Pastor Bayly's face says "peaceful conscience". The moderator and the other two panelists were all hanging onto every word Pastor Bayly was saying. They may have expected to be bringing in somebody who didn't know what he was talking about. Oops.

You even got to be a pastor to the law professor, addressing her conscience:

11:31

Rick Sutton: Hoosiers are pretty pragmatic and pretty common-sense, when you have a law on the books and you've had one appeals court decision that affirmed it, there's really no need to amend the constitution.

Tim: Well of course there is a need to amend the constitution, and I'm sure professor understands the need although she doesn't support it. The need to amend the constitution is because we have probably about a hundred years now of activist judges who have been trained by their law professors to act against the will of the electorate. That was what Roe v. Wade was, when they passed Roe v. Wade they threw out the states of -- they threw out the laws of almost every state in the Union. And so the reason for the constitutional amendment, and it's very important, is to prohibit law schools and the justices and the appelate court judges that they have trained from legislating from the bench. That's the reason.

A big part of Tim's usefulness on the show was his willingness to evaluate the truthfulness of what the others were saying and speak up. What a terrifying prospect! But who do I fear, God or man?

The other aspect was Tim's preparedness. It's a reminder to me that you need to have previously studied so you're ready, there's no time in that moment to go study.

I need to be diligent so that I'm ready in the day that I'm called on to defend the truth.

First off, thank you, Tim! Second , did you notice at 26:30 how the man from the LGBT rights group said that this is an attempt to amend the constitution "for a frivolous man" correcting it to "in a frivolous manner".  I had to laugh at that one. Tim did not look calm to me, he looked burdened, while the others panelists were practiced diplomats. Yet God was pleased to lay bare their folly, agenda and methods for any with eyes to see.

I'm also dizzy at Mr. Sutton's argument that while on one hand things is changing fast, fast, fast, on the other hand there's absolutely no need for an amendment because nothing's changing at all.

Well done Tim.  I'm so glad there are a few pastors left who are convicted enough to publicly go head to head against evil, in a public forum no less.

I think Christians should remember that the law of God, though unpopular today as it has been throughout history, can have a surprisingly salutary affect on a society when there is a minority who unashamedly proclaim God's standards of purity. If more churches, as congregations and not simply small groups of men, stood in solidarity and proclaimed, in love, the perversity of our generation's activities, there would be a much larger crowd than the few empty-minded people who were trying so desperately to turn the video of the singing church boy into a concocted national tragedy. Further, it would force debates such as this toward where they should be - the world versus the church in a debate that is both confessional and cultural. Our point of view is not carried by a small group of wackos, but rather it represents the line of purity seen over the last several thousand years of orthodoxy, and in both the Old and New Covenant Scriptures.

Christians might be surprised to find that there are more people out there who have not bowed the knee to Baal than we would have estimated from watching the nightly news. Sodomy is certainly being pushed more than at any time in our country's history, and it certainly receives more attention than it used to, but that does not indicate that it is common, as Tim pointed out.

Our country is an ethical mess, so much so that the rabble that amasses with its signs is usually very futile in their thoughts as a judicial infliction on their sins. They are perverse in their secret activities, and they are perverse in their intellectual activities in their pursuit of a defense of their abominations. Yet, there is hope for widespread spiritual renewal if churches will pray for it, and teach people what it means to live righteously. The church needs a much more developed and consistent teaching on what compromises an objective ethic for Christians, as well as having a sociopolitical ethic that is self-consciously Biblical. Hey, didn't God have something sort of like a law, and didn't the author of Hebrews 2:2 point out that in that system, every sin and crime received a just punishment?

But, then again, I am biased. I am one of those middle-aged, postmillenial, theonomic throw-back types, so what do I know?

Great job, Tim! I enjoyed watching this, and was greatly encouraged.

Overall, I was impressed with your willingness to stand up for the truth once delivered to the saints. You'll never know who might have been touched by what you said.

Tim,

Thank you for being unceasingly pastoral in all your work regardless of forum. It is such an encouragement. We look forward to seeing everyone again this weekend!

Nathan

Thank you for being faithful to our God and Father.

Thank you, brothers and sisters, for praying for this work, and now commending it. God Alone did the good things and I am responsible for every bad thing. Praise Him!

One brother suggested I look at the camera directly at several places, rather than at the other members of the panel, particularly when I am addressing the consciences of the viewers. Good suggestion. Are there any more?

There were four or five cameras facing us and I didn't know which one was on, but I think I should have looked at one of them and they might well have switched to that one when I did so?

Love,

Dear Tim,

Thank you for faithfully proclaiming God's word and being a fool for Christ's sake, instead of rounding off the edges and "going along to get along". Kara and I watched the clip yesterday, and it was a real encouragement to me.

Love,

Collin

I guess "ClearNote" is no longer a blank slate. Does this mean that we'll have to change the name of the church again? :)

In all seriousness, this is very encouraging. Thank you, Tim, for being an example of graciousness and magnanimity while being bold, faithful and pastoral.

Well done, Pastor Tim!

 

I especially liked the guilty smile of the law professor when you mentioned activist judges and the law professors who train them.  Almost like she got caught with her hand in the cookie jar:  "Why, yes, I AM training law students to ignore the Constitution and rule by judicial fiat.  do you think that's wrong?"

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