It is the final sign of imbecility in a people that it calls cats dogs and describes the sun as the moon--and is very particular about the preciseness of these pseudonyms. To be wrong, and to be carefully wrong, that is the definition of decadence. The disease called aphasia, in which people begin by saying tea when they mean coffee, commonly ends in their silence. -G. K. Chesterton
(Tim) I've been privy to a private E-mail discussion between a few men concerning the response Governor Huckabee gave during the recent Fox debate to a question about his having signed a Southern Baptist Convention statement affirming the Creation order of father-rule. Originally, it was our intent to start this post with an excellent summary statement David Talcott had written to initiate the private discussion. As things developed, though, it became clear other good responses to David's argument needed to be included here, and that collating the discussion was going to be a big job. So there things sat.
Still, I don't want to let the moment pass without comment. At this point you might want to watch the video of Gov. Huckabee's response, before reading my own comments.
Few things have been used to greater effect by men wanting to skirt the issue of father-rule and the opprobrium they would suffer if they were plainspoken in their affirmation of Biblical sexuality than mincing words about mutual submission. And make no mistake: every pastor, seminary professor, or
presidential candidate who speaks in any way analagous to the way Gov.
Huckabee spoke knows precisely what he's doing and why he's doing it.
By this late date many thousands of oil drums of ink have been
spilled in argument about the connection between Ephesians 5:21, "Be
subject to one another," and Ephesians 5:22 through 6:9 where the
wives, children, and slaves of Ephesus are singled out and specifically
commanded to submit to their husbands, fathers and mothers, and
Those who hate authority, and specifically the authority of
father-rule ordered by our Creator, make much of the "submit to one
another" command, trying to use it to trump or confuse or hide or
obfuscate the "wives submit to your husbands" command immediately
following it. And all their tactics can be illustrated by an exchange
something like this:
Foolish Christian: "The Bible tells me to submit to my husband."
Wise Christian: "Yes, but the Bible tells your husband to submit to you, also."
Foolish Christian: "Oh, you mean in 1Corinthians where it talks about me having authority over my husband's body, sexually?"
Wise Christian: "Well yes, there's that; but also in Ephesians 5 where it commands us all to submit to one another."