PCA's Philadelphia Presbytery overtures General Assembly to study women elders...

From the blog of Pastor Andrew Dionne of Trinity Presbyterian Church in Spartansburg, South Carolina:

No need for a study committee...

It’s said that progressives will revisit settled issues until they become unsettled. The Philadelphia Presbytery is using such tactics, hoping to revisit the settled Biblical polity regarding the sex (the Philadelphia Presbytery shows her slip by using the word “gender”) of elders. They desire to find some wiggle room for candidates for ordination who “may come forward who understand Scripture to allow women to be ordained to the office of elder.”

In no way do I mean the next sentence to be flippant. I’ve completed the work for the study committee…

1 Tim. 2:12-15.

This passage does not need study. It only requires faith.

Tim Bayly

Tim serves Clearnote Church, Bloomington, Indiana. He and Mary Lee have five children and fifteen grandchildren.


Does the PCA have no guts to just kick them out? Lock the doors of their pretty buildings till they go away, and maybe convert them into some outposts for the homeless. They might be better used and there might be actual sheep to be found and fed, literally and figuratively.

To follow up on Tim's concise cite of the below passage, since I'm kind of a dumb redneck, in the Greek version of this passage is there any verbiage which can be considered equivocal? I'm not seeing any in the English translation. Let's face it though (I've seen this first hand when I was regularly attending a Methodist church.), today's churches strive for political correctness and inclusion because more congregants equals more money in the back pocket of church leadership. True bible believing churches that teach the actual Bible as opposed to the weak as water PC/inclusive version will tend to have limited long term attendance and the church leadership won't be driving Rolls Royce's. (And no, just getting the base model Rolls ain't gonna fly either.)
12 But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet.
13 For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve.
14 And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 But women will be preserved through the bearing of children if they continue in faith and love and sanctity with self-restraint.

What do you call a woman priest? A priestess? A priest? A Teaching Elder? How about hypocrite?


Amen to the last line in your post. The theology basis Paul say in his command is deep as well as being edifying by its bringing a new treasure out of the acts of God in Genesis. The upshot of the command only requires obedience.

>>What do you call a woman priest?

A pseudo-pastor. They can't actually be pastors so they are pretending to be pastors.

Dear Brothers,

Please note the text of this post is Pastor Andrew Dionne's—not mine. But of course, I agree with him, and thank him for his watchcare.


>>in the Greek version of this passage is there any verbiage which can be considered equivocal?

Sure, rebels always find ways to justify their rebellion, and simpletons always get sucked in by these justifications. This is the reason the Apostle Paul warns Timothy against wasting his time in arguments about words (1Timothy 6:3,4; 2Timothy 1:13; 2:14; see also 2Peter 2:3).

Those women and men who wrangle over words, seeking to mislead and destroy the faithful, must be silenced—not coddled by sophisticated discussions of the meaning of this and that word, nor granted study committees, nor engaged in floor debate. They are just run-of-the-mill rebels and should simply be disciplined for attacking God's Creation Order revealed in His Word.

But they never are—disciplined, that is—and thus their rebellion spreads. The Biblical command is to silence such men, but effeminate pastors and elders today, both conservative (antiquarian) and liberal (hip), care more about their reputation than the protection of their flock, so they make themselves nice and try to craft a place where false shepherds can stand within the PCA without giving up their false doctrine. You know, "believe but not teach or practice." Or "believe and teach, but not practice." Or, Tim Keller's own ploy concerning woman officers, "believe and teach and practice, but stop just shy of ordination."

The men who refuse to discipline these rebels are more culpable than the rebels themselves:

He also who is slack in his work Is brother to him who destroys. (Proverbs 18:9)


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