Doug Wilson, the morning after...

True, wise, and Christian. Read it.

Tim Bayly

Tim serves Clearnote Church, Bloomington, Indiana. He and Mary Lee have five children and fifteen grandchildren.


Frankly, I'm tired of spin, whether it be post-millennial spin, libertarian spin, centrist spin, liberal spin, conservative spin, or Doug Wilson spin. This is a time to mourn. So let's mourn.

I'm with David Wegener. The Lord is indeed King, but I can do without the post-millennial, and seemingly continual "if we had only nominated a real conservative" spin. Frankly, the latter is among the most heavy examples of spin part from Biblical thinking. (And I say this as a conservative).

Dear David and Fred,

You ought to be thankful for Doug's post. It's simply good pastoral counsel which many need right now, loving their nation and looking for the Daniel-way forward.

Here are Doug's points:

- Jesus is Lord and this election's results are His decrees for our United States;

- this election's results are horrid--they are God's judgment--and therefore we must repent;

- every principled vote (which is to say a vote done by faith) was good, even if it differed from our own;

- every unprincipled vote (which is to say a vote done without faith) was bad, even if it was the same as our own vote;

- whichever direction the vote had gone would have required faithful Christians to oppose the policies of the man elected, whether President Obama or Governor Romney;

- unprincipled establishment Republicans always lose;

- Christian kids should not be educated by rabid secularists if we expect them to remain faithful to the Covenant (indoctrination really does indoctrinate and our children really are harmed by it and we really don't want our Covenant children soft in the head;

- we need to engage our evil culture by faith with a uniquely Christian culture; and

- we need to be irrepressible.

So where's your beef? This is not post-millennialism. This is wise counsel from a post-millennialist pastor and more power to him for saying something that will comfort and strengthen the exiles.

If this is bad pastoral care from a post-millenial Pollyanna, I'm a blue goose and my daughters were fools for being encouraged.

With respect and no little love,

There is a time to be quiet, stop typing and mourn. Doug, it seems to me you need to learn that. So my comment was intended as a rebuke.

Dear Mr. Wegener,

When I read Pastor Wilson's blog post, I did not at all receive the notion that the election results were "not that bad" in his estimation. He is mourning, but he is mourning like a Christian, and thus like one who has a hope in this world. In this world, not just in heaven, and not just with those immaterial aspects of this life.

Like you, I truly revile when people put some sappy, superficial gloss on a tragedy. But likewise, I see Doug pointing out that Jesus is Lord not just of the heart, but of the physical world, and He will not be denied. The Father says to the Son "Ask of Me and I will give You the nations as Your inheritance". Unless Jesus forgot to ask, what other outcome should we expect?

The fact that God ordains the ends and the means is where the realism comes in. While nothing is too hard for the Lord, we might (half tongue in cheek) suggest that we can expect to see this materialize in history to a recognizable degree in another, oh, four or five hundred years at the rate we're heading. It won't be happening in 2016, or any time soon, because our culture is a rot, and it will take more time than one generation to fix it.

David, very sorry to have given offense over something like this. You have the high esteem of men I esteem highly, and so I should probably just leave it there. But I will say that I believe I had a responsibility to say something that would be encouraging for the saints in the face of this tragedy. And that's all I was seeking to do.

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