What is a "transformational breath facilitator"?
Vaun Swanson says Denver Seminary taught her to "determine for myself what the author (of Scripture) was intending to communicate to us..."
Even the most complementarian of men will go to any length to avoid Scripture texts that speak of women being susceptible to deception. But then we get hit in the face with a stiff dose of women-together-doing-yikes! and it's hard not to wonder if it's time for someone to blow a clear note of warning...
Maybe it's time for some brave pastor in Denver to do a sermon on Eve being deceived, illustrating the point with Pomegranate Place, a mystical womb featured on Denver Seminary's "Stories of Transformation" page where the seminary commends works of its alumni.There are so many bad things here. Denver pastors, elders, Titus 2 women, and husbands take warning.
Read what each psycho-therapist says about herself and her work. Check out their guiding principles. Reminds me of life in Boulder and the Burning Man Festival--both at the same time. Denver Seminary joins InterVarsity Christian Fellowship to work for a post-Christian Evangelicalism.
Here we have spiritists galore. They offer "herbal therapists" and "mindful eating coaches" and "healing methods that get to the core" and a "dream facilitator" who graduated from the Kerouac School at Naropa University and "writers of the alchemical self" and "spiritual directors" and "spiritual guides" and "intuitive counselors" and "cultural creatives" and "drugless practitioners" and "certified massage therapists" and "nia instructors" and "Maya abdominal massagers" and "spiritual plant healers" and "creators of tranformative space and sacred containers" (sic) and "a midwife to the spirit" who specializes in leading women to "celebrating their 'instatus nascendi' jewels hidden with in matter" (sic). Finally, the omnipresent "Jung analysts," "Certified Enneagram Teachers," "transformational breath facilitators," and "creators of sacred vessels."
(TB)




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Those bios are something else, aren't they? Certainly there's a man in Denver - somewhere - who will call the Pomegranate House and it's matriarchs to account for this.
Or maybe they're all intimidated by Vaun's "exegetical tools?"
Ooohhhhh....some of 'em from Naropa! Ommmmmmm.........
Denver Cemetery has come a long way since they used to teach about ecclesiastical separation, haven't they?
Bike Bubba,
Not just Naropa, but the "Jack Kerouac School of Disembodied Poetics" founded by Allen Ginsburg.
Another of the "affiliated guides" is the wife of a Denver Seminary professor.
Kamilla
Don't have a problem with a certified massage therapist (unless they are different from licensed massage therapists, which I understand to be a legitimate line of work and they teach it at the community college that I currently attend).
But most of the other "professions", darned if I knew they existed.
>>if I knew they existed.
And it's likely many of them are perverse substitutes doing the spiritual work God has ordained be done by Titus 2 women, husbands, pastors, and elders.
What do every last one of them have in common? They exercise no authority--that's the whole point of this brood.
Love,
I'm gobsmacked. This makes some of the stuff I have come across on Charismamag, the heights of Reformed Orthodoxy by comparison!
Kamilla; good point. I heard CU was going to schedule Naropa next fall for football.....any truth to that? :^)
Don't know, don't watch television or take the Denver compost. Perhaps Naropa can scare them off the field by "Howl"ing?
Last rumour I heard was that CU was considering hiring "Coach Mac" back. Apparently Promise Keepers isn't keeping him busy any longer ;-)
If they're going to beat Naropa, they'd better get him back. :^)
(count me very thankful that compromising Promise Keepers are no longer able to do much, too......I remember when a friend of mine noted he'd stopped supporting them when they quietly went wobbly on sola fide and sola gratia to accomodate Catholics)
That said, he's 70....yes, I know Paterno is still going strong in his eighties, but Paterno's also got a bazillion years of good recruiting to build from, too.
Tim,
On the point of lacking authority - did you also notice that the closest she comes in her video to making a declarative statement is when she talks about those exegetical tools DenSem gave her so she can determine for herself what the "author of Scripture intended to convey"?
On second thought, it's not that close, is it?
Bert,
When you wrote, "(count me very thankful that compromising Promise Keepers are no longer able to do much, too......I remember when a friend of mine noted he'd stopped supporting them when they quietly went wobbly on sola fide and sola gratia to accomodate Catholics)."
Did you mean that Promise Keepers originally began as an exclusively Protestant organization and changed to allow other parts of the body of Christ (my words, which I know many other readers may not share), such as Roman Catholics and possibly even members of various Orthodox denominations (Greek, Russian, etc.) to join?
Thanks,
Sue
Dear Sue,
Most of our readers are Protestant, which historically has meant that we believe Roman Catholic dogma is heresy, denying the free imputation of Christ's righteousness to all who believe and the proof of that free imputation the works or sanctification without which no man will see God. Of course, most Protestants today have no idea what it used to mean to be a Protestant and most Roman Catholics talk about the unity of the Roman Catholic church despite the plain fact that, although the manifestation of it is completely different in the Northern Hemisphere than in the Southern Hemishephere, Roman Catholicism is about as schismatic in its syncretism as Protestantism is in hers. Which is to say the unity of Roman Catholicism is a sham.
But here on Baylyblog, we assume most Protestants are historically orthodox Protestants and most Roman Catholics are orthodox in their commitment to the Roman heresy concerning justification. As to Eastern Orthodox, they're about as common here as feminist ideologues, so I don't bother including them in this e-mail.
We love having you here, and being able to make common cause with you and other Roman Catholics or sacramentalists despite your rejection of justification by "faith alone, but not faith by itself." But in case you ever wonder what we mean when we speak of sola fide, study up on Roman Catholicism's error of infusion (as opposed to imputation). Or better yet, read James Buchanan's masterful volume, "Justification."
With love,
I've been working on this story again today and in putting the pieces of the puzzle all together, the picture becomes very clear - this is where Denver Seminary has been headed since the late Vernon Grounds hosted (what I believe was) the first conference on religious feminism way back in 1978. For those interested, you can visit my blog to read both my posts on this story.
DenSem's ties to religious feminism have only grown in number and strength since then. I was tempted to turn in my library card in protest but I am a selfish woman who is loathe to give up free library privileges. I know I am glad they haven't gotten a penny from me since graduation and never will.
David and Tim,
Thank you for your very carefully thought out response about your understanding of the theological difference between Protestants (in a general way; I know there are differences like a Baptist doesn't consider Holy Communion a sacrament and a Lutheran does) and Roman Catholics. I learned things I wasn't aware of before. But I think I gave you the wrong impression -- I am not Roman Catholic. I am Anglican (and a former Episcopalian) and was raised in a Lutheran family.
I could explain why Anglicans consider themselves neither Protestant nor Roman Catholic but that's not the point of this post and you probably knew that anyway.
All this to say that I've known Roman Catholics who have a deeply personal relationship with Jesus, study the Bible regularly, and have a prayer life that would put mine to shame, including my one of my husband's aunts and his sister and brother-in-law. For a number of reasons I don't think I could ever convert to Roman Catholicism, but I can't write off their denomination, lock, stock, and barrel as not being part of the worldwide body of Christ. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that and I'll try not to ruffle feathers because of my views on this issue.
Happy belated Feast of the Resurrection of our Lord,
Dear Sue,
As I wrote the comment, I remembered you were Anglican so I added the statement about sacramentalists. Of course, some Anglicans aren't sacramentalists and sacramentalism isn't the official position of the church. Still, with eighty plus percent of Brits baptized and less than ten percent in worship each Lord's Day, it seems clear sacramentalism is the universal practice. And historically, Anglicanism/Episcopalianism adheres to a reformed and Protestant doctrine.
As to the piety of Roman Catholics, you're absolutely right.
May God bless you with joy in the Resurrection this week.
Love,
Sue, my advice would be to distinguish between the gold from the dross here, and go with the gold. These guys are Truly Reformed, and so this is naturally what they're going to say about Catholicism. I just take that all with a grain of salt, and focus instead on the truth of what they're saying about Pomegranate Place.
Caedmon (Anglican Catholic)
"And historically, Anglicanism/Episcopalianism adheres to a reformed and Protestant doctrine."
I would invite you to make that case over at The Continuum blog.
From Wikipedia's lengthy entry under "Thirty-Nine Articles": "the Articles are a revealing window into the ethos and character of Anglicanism, in particular in the way the document works to navigate a via media, or 'middle path,' between the beliefs and practices of the Roman Catholic Church and of the English Puritans, thus lending the Church of England a mainstream Reformed air. The 'via media' was expressed so adroitly in the Articles that some Anglican scholars have labeled their content as an early example of the idea that the doctrine of Anglicanism is one of 'Reformed Catholicism.'"
And by "Catholicism," they do not mean Romanism.
Love,
A quote from a Wiki article is your reply? Then I would suggest you take the Wiki article with you if and when you decide to chime in on the issue over at The Continuum, for this is an issue that comes up there fairly regularly, or at least has in the past.
In the alternative, you could simply mosey over there and read the numerous blog articles, principally by Fr. Hart, posted there on the matter. What you'll learn is that the term "Reformed Catholicism" doesn't mean what you think it does. You'll also find out precisely what the status of the Thirty-Nine Articles is in not only the Anglican Communion, but in Continuing Anglicanism.
That being said, keep up the good work on the complementarian/anti-feminist front. I'm with you there.
Dear Caedmon,
Words have many meanings, and the much-vetted wiki piece says what I meant when I used the words in the first place. It's fine for you to say you don't agree, but both "reformed" and "Catholic" are much-debated terms and it's not really helpful to claim you alone guard them properly.
The 39 Articles are not semi-Pelagian, but Augustinian. My friend, Phil Jensen, and his brother, Peter, along with all those Sydney Anglicans they shepherd, are much closer to historic Anglicanism than either the North American sodomites or the Anglo-Catholics. And no one would ever argue they aren't reformed and Evangelical.
You and others may well argue, however, that they're not Anglican.
By the way, one of the most excellent short summaries of the Reformed and Evangelical Christian faith was written by Moore Theological College's T. C. Hammond, the Sydney Anglican, titled "In Understanding, Be Men."
It's in my library.
Love,
Well, I was initially inclined to simply bear to you my former answer, but I guess I should briefly address a couple of points. First, I never said or implied that I alone "guard (those terms)" properly. I said that you don't understand the term "Reformed Catholicism." Anyone who understands that term as equating to "Calvinism" simply isn't paying attention to the great divines of the English Reformation. Or to Cranmer, the architect of the prayerbook. Or to the reason why the Puritans took off for the New World.
Second, it's probably more accurate to say that the Articles of Religion are somewhat Lutheran, not "Augustinian." Augustine, as you may recollect, was a committed Roman Catholic, and many Reformation scholars have accurately summed up the Reformation IMO by saying that Augustine's view of salvation won out over his view of the church. But Augustine himself would have never separated the two, and what's more he would likely have sought to have the secular authorities put the screws to Luther and Calvin. The 39 Articles were certainly influenced by the Continental Reformation, but the English Reformation was NOT the Continental Reformation. Regardless, as I mentioned, their status in worldwide Anglicanism is not the same everywhere. Evangelicals continue to revere them, while liberals ignore them and Anglo-Catholics either accept them in a very qualified way or wish they'd never been written. (I am of the former opinion.)
>>Anyone who understands that term as equating to "Calvinism" simply isn't paying attention to the great divines of the English Reformation. Or to Cranmer, the architect of the prayerbook. Or to the reason why the Puritans took off for the New World.
Dear Caedmon,
I never said it did equate to Calvinism. But really, your arguments are with your fellow Anglicans--not me. They say Anglicanism is Augustinian, so please argue with them.
>>Augustine, as you may recollect, was a committed Roman Catholic...
Now that's a howler.
Cheerfully,
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