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R2K says sermons on abortion are like Martin Luther King's "glorified leftist political screeds"...

by David and Tim Bayly on March 26, 2011 - 4:04pm

(Tim) Following links to Baylyblog, I found this on a radical two-kingdom blog and place it here as another indication of the nature of this error and the motivations of those who hold it. The R2K blogger is addressing two questions asked by an R2K opponent. The second question ends like this: "...why are (R2K) folks so upset when people like the Bayly brothers preach sermons on highly politicized topics like abortion?"

Here's the R2K man's answer...

...the concern of two kingdom [radical two kingdom] ecclesiology and the subsequent doctrine of the spirituality of the church is for the unfettered gospel. (We don't) want anybody unduly alienated from the gospel by any tradition of men, up to and including any man’s politics. I continue to be puzzled as to why any of this should be so controversial or perplexing amongst those who conceive themselves as theologically conservative, unless we have made relative peace with the progressive spirit of the age.

And this is what all the upset is over the Bayly’s glorified rightist political speech: it goes a fair distance to alienate people from the gospel, every bit as much as any glorified leftist political screed from MLK’s pulpit in the 60s. People who don’t have rightist or leftist or middlist politics, or like me who are politically agnostic, stand a very real chance of being sufficiently alienated from the gospel when its wagon is hitched up to any political or social star.

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Submitted by David Gray on March 26, 2011 - 5:01pm

It is very tempting to respond to these men as Luther responded to Zwingli...

Submitted by Craig French on March 26, 2011 - 6:58pm

Strange how the "unfettered gospel" of R2k can fly contrary to the spirit of the age all while not alienating people.

Submitted by J.Moore on March 26, 2011 - 8:37pm

Isn't it convenient to camouflage and sidestep moral evil in the world by labeling it just a matter of "politics."
Murder... of children.... by men who call themselves by Christ's name... to them is a matter of "politics?" If this is the case no moral evil can have the light of God's holiness to shine upon it through the preaching of the word. How foolish were the prophets! Just think of all the people they alienated!

There is so much here it is hard to keep together where to begin. The disconnect to active, living,and biblical faith is so deep and wide, it begs proper description.

Submitted by Rebecca Nugent on March 26, 2011 - 9:35pm

I'm curious to know if these same men would poo-poo those who courageously spoke out from the pulpits about the annihilation of the Jews during WWII. Would they have referred to that as a "highly politicized topic?" Should we suppose they would've have been silent, at best, or wagged their fingers at those who preached against the genocide?

Submitted by Benjamin P. Glaser on March 27, 2011 - 6:13am

I am currently preaching through Amos and struggle to understand how R2K men could preach through this book without completely spiritualizing the text.

Submitted by bob on March 27, 2011 - 9:16am

Ben, how could you not spiritualize Amos unless you're also telling your people that Jerusalem will be rebuilt and the temple restored?

Submitted by Bert Perry on March 28, 2011 - 6:28am

Shame on those early church preachers who incited their flocks to go to the garbage dumps and rescue little babies abandoned to die of exposure! Shame on John the Baptist for telling soldiers to be content with their pay (they were after plunder of course)! Shame on our Lord for bringing tax collectors to repentance! Didn't these people know that taking on Roman government in this way was going to turn off a lot of people to the Gospel?

Submitted by K. Bartholomew on March 31, 2011 - 3:28pm

Can someone please explain what R2K means/refers to. I'm not familiar with the term.

Thanx

Submitted by bert perry on April 1, 2011 - 5:30am

Radical Two Kingdoms theology. More or less, the idea that not only are there two kingdoms--man's and God's--where it becomes wrong for believers to try to unduly influence the former.

Please feel free to help my definition out, y'all!

Submitted by K. Bartholomew on April 1, 2011 - 9:23pm

Thanks Bert, what is an example of R2K? Just trying to get a clear understanding.

Submitted by David Gray on April 2, 2011 - 5:01am

For example an advocate who goes by "Zrim" has stated that once an issue becomes politicized the church should no longer address it as it has come under the purview of the state.

Submitted by K. Bartholomew on April 2, 2011 - 10:12am

Thanks David, are there any specific religions that as a whole would be considered R2K? I'm ignorant with regards to Religion, Faith etc. I visit blogs such as this one to gain more knowledge. Thanks again for your reply.

Submitted by K. Bartholomew on April 2, 2011 - 10:19am

Also, I have a lot of questions with regards to Christianity, I try to research on the Internet but its very confusing, there are so many denominations, sects, branches etc. I spent several days just trying to understand Calvinism (sp?), and I still don't get it. The term Reformed seems to have many different aspects to it, and it seems every time I research one term 10 more pop up that I then have to research just to understand what I just read. It's quite confusing. Any advice?

Submitted by David & Tim Bayly on April 3, 2011 - 3:25am

Dear "K",

Please use the e-mail me link ("contact Tim") on the top left side of the page and I'll work toward answering your questions.

Warmly,

Submitted by bert perry on April 5, 2011 - 11:07am

And he'll do it far better than I did, too!

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