From Dark Ages, Galileo speaks of literal interpretation of Scripture...

(Tim) It's central to our chronological conceit to reassure ourselves the Middle Ages were the Dark Ages crammed full of religious bloodshed, religious oppression of scientific progress, and the Plague. So we've all learned the lesson to keep church and state separate to the end that we won't have as many wars or as many people die in those wars.

Doing well are we? Paganism is the state religion almost everywhere and more people were sacrificed on the altars of paganism's idols (Communism, Zionism, Feminism, etc.) this past century than ever died from all the religious wars of the Medieval world combined.

But what of science? Our modern morality play smugly assures us the Enlightenment busted truth loose from the religious ignoramuses who had oppressed the great minds across many centuries. Finally we know it's not wrong to take the Pill, unborn babies aren't persons and can't feel the knives, the iPhone is cool, washing hands saves lives, you can make babies in the lab, you can end the war by blowing up the women and children of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and Earth isn't the center of the Universe.

"Poor Galileo! If only he'd lived today when every man finally knows religion has nothing to say to the state or the high priests of Science. The Bible's true when it talks about spiritual things--not political or sexual or scientific things. It's no history book or textbook on cosmology. It tells you how to feel--not what to think. Poor Galileo! He had it right and the church tried to shut him up. Stupid ignorant church. Stupid Dark Ages...

Stupid priests. Stupid dead people. If only the Pope could have studied hermeneutics at Wheaton or Fuller! Then Galileo could have been free to do his work."

Like all morality plays, the Galileo one is fiction. In the latest New Criterion, Kevin D. Williamson calls it a "Manichean fairy tale." Nothing about Galileo and the conflict surrounding him bears any resemblance to anything you've ever heard about it.

Anyhow, I found this excerpt from a letter Galileo wrote to the Grand Duchess Christina helpful:

With regard to this argument, I think in the first place that it is very pious to say and prudent to affirm that the holy Bible can never speak untruth--whenever its true meaning is understood. But I believe nobody will deny that it is often very abstruse, and may say things which are quite different from what its bare words signify. Hence in expounding the Bible if one were always to confine oneself to the unadorned grammatical meaning, one might fall into error. Not only contradictions and propositions far from true might thus be made to appear in the Bible, but even grave heresies and follies. Thus it would be necessary to assign to God feet, hands, and eyes, as well as corporeal and human affections, such as anger, repentance, hatred, and sometimes even the forgetting of things past and ignorance of those to come....

Hence I think that I may reasonably conclude that whenever the Bible has occasion to speak of any physical conclusion (especially those which are very abstruse and hard to understand), the rule has been observed of avoiding confusion in the minds of the common people which would render them contumacious toward the higher mysteries. Now the Bible, merely to condescened to popular capacity, has not hesitated to obscure some very important pronouncements, attributing to God Himself some qualities extremely remote from (and even contrary to) His essence. Who, then, would positively declare that this principle has been set aside, and the Bible has confined itself rigorously to the bare and restricted sense of its words, when speaking but casually of the earth, of water, of the sun, or of any other created thing?

When Dispensationalist eschatologists get on their high horse about "just taking the Bible literally," don't drink their moonshine. Every last pastor and preacher knows the "I'm just taking the Bible literally" line works wonders with the masses, but every last pastor and preacher also knows he's dishonest when he thinks that settles the argument. It's an argumentum ad populum although I myself use it when heretics tell me if we apply the latest heremeneutical formulas and exegetical equations to 1Timothy 2:13--"for it was Adam who was first created, then Eve"--we'll find out what the verse actually means is, "the plane left the gate, taxied to the runway, waited for clearance from the tower, and took off."

 

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Technically, doesn't Galileo speak from the Late Renaissance, not the dark ages?

This would also tell us that we need to remember that Galileo (a) knew he was being watched by the Vatican, (b) knew that he could throw Vatican investigators off course by appealing to an extensive doctrine of "scripture plus tradition," and (c) understood that a major part of the Vatican's objection to his work was not the Bible, but rather Aristotelian geocentrism, which had been introduced into church tradition by Aquinas.

I'm not committed to bare literalism (in the modern sense, just word for word), and for that matter I dare suggest that most dispensationalists of the serious type don't, either. But for that matter, there are all kinds of fascinating possibilities about Galileo's letter that have nothing whatsoever to do with the degree to which our exegesis ought to be literal in its literary interpretation.

I'm confused.

At first we're talking about the well-known science-vs-religion story of Galileo being commanded to recant about the sun being the center of the solar system -- the story that is supposed to teach us that in most everything religion should back off and science should have the authority.

And how apparently that story didn't really happen how we've all heard it did. I'll have to examine that, but so far I understand what we're talking about.

But then all of a sudden this Galileo quote where he is talking about literal interpretation. I just can't seem to find the connection between the first part of the post and this part.

The title might be "Galileo Not Persecuted By Church As Commonly Thought; With Some Thoughts On Scripture Interpretation by the Former".

Perhaps someone can help me see the link I lack?

>>Perhaps someone can help me see the link I lack?

The link is the man. And great title, Daniel; but it's way long.

>>Technically, doesn't Galileo speak from the Late Renaissance, not the dark ages?

Yes, in the old days its use would have stopped with the Renaissance. But I'm convinced people today see even the nineteenth and first half of the twentieth centuries as the Dark Ages. Light arrived with the Beatles. Similarly, speaking of the common man, "I just take it literally" is so common.

Love,

On to the issue of literalism...

Galileo: "Thus it would be necessary to assign to God feet, hands, and eyes, as well as corporeal and human affections, such as anger, repentance, hatred, and sometimes even the forgetting of things past and ignorance of those to come"

We need to understand what authority we're appealing to in departing from a simple reading of the text though, right?

If someone says that when God speaks of "anger, repentance, hatred, and sometimes even the forgetting of things past and ignorance of those to come" it is metaphorical, I want to know on what basis they say so. Otherwise it's hard to avoid the conclusion that they don't believe God's Word at that point. There are other seeming paradoxes -- for instance God's sovereignty and our responsibility, how can both be true? God's sovereignty PROVES man has no responsibility! No, man's responsibility PROVES God is not sovereign over the hearts of men. But the truth is that both God's sovereignty and man's responsibility is there. To remove one does violence to Scripture and to the gospel.

Yet we say God doesn't REALLY get angry (because He's unchanging?) That God doesn't REALLY have hands (because He's a spirit? Because we're embarrassed to have other people thinking we believe our God has hands?)

I know that Calvin says the same thing:
"The Anthropomorphites also, who dreamed of a corporeal God, because mouth, ears, eyes, hands, and feet, are often ascribed to him in Scripture, are easily refuted. For who is so devoid of intellect as not to understand that God, in so speaking, lisps with us as nurses are wont to do with little children? Such modes of expression, therefore, do not so much express what kind of a being God is, as accommodate the knowledge of him to our feebleness. In doing so, he must, of course, stoop far below his proper height." --Institutes, I.13.1

Calvin: "For who is so devoid of intellect as not to understand that God, in so speaking, lisps with us as nurses are wont to do with little children?"

Tim: "Speaking of the common man, 'I just take it literally' is so common."

Devoid of intellect. So common. Oh no! I haven't seen any argument beyond this coolshame: "Any nincompoop knows that God doesn't really have hands!" I don't see how such an argument is doing anything other than calling us away from a childlike faith. And I don't see how I can in good conscience do other than teach my kids "God said it and we believe it, even though we don't always understand how it all works."

Know that I protest in love.

>>Devoid of intellect. So common. Oh no! I haven't seen any argument beyond this coolshame: "Any nincompoop knows that God doesn't really have hands!"

That's not what I meant, Daniel. I was using the word 'common' in the sense of "frequent," not low or ignorant.

>>I don't see how such an argument is doing anything other than calling us away from a childlike faith. And I don't see how I can in good conscience do other than teach my kids "God said it and we believe it, even though we don't always understand how it all works."

Here's a post that shows Jesus Himself rebuked His disciples for taking His Words literally. This means to say "I just take the words literally" is sometimes sin.

http://www.baylyblog.com/2006/11/the_literal_int.html

>>Know that I protest in love.

Don't worry about disagreeing. My skin's quite thick. But more, men need argument to learn.

Love,

"You men of little faith... How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread?"

Ah! We DO have a scriptural basis for these arguments. (How do I always forget that passage in these discussions.)

"But more, men need argument to learn."

I was going to take this literally, but in light of the motivation of this post.....

(sorry, I just couldn't resist....and of course, agreed) :^)

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