Teachers bully students at Bloomington High School North...

(Tim) Yesterday, in the name of teaching normal students how to avoid making students committed to sexual perversion feel bad about their perversion, the young men and women at Bloomington High School North were required to watch a movie that promoted bestiality. In that movie, young perverts complained about how hard it is to be committed to bestiality when normal boys and girls act squeamish about it. They can't change the way they feel about animals, they said, so why can't other boys and girls get over it and learn to accept their unique sexual identity?

Of course, the reason perverts feel bad about themselves is that, even with the help of teachers and school counselors, we have a tough time silencing our consciences. When we give ourselves to sexual immorality, inevitably it takes a toll on us, particularly when we're young and still feel our guilt acutely. When those tempted by bestiality give in to their perversion, depression sets in. Inevitably, depression sometimes leads to suicide.

To fault those normal souls who fight against that same perversion by avoiding the sin and those who advocate it is to blame the victim. The perversion should never be mentioned in public, nor should any boy or girl be able to parade that perversion among our children through wicked and destructive conversations, clothing, or other stylistic signatures associated with bestiality. It's time for the school systems paid for with our tax dollars to stop bullyng our children in the name of tolerance. We don't pay taxes to have bestiality shoved down our sons and daughter's throats...

Actually, this particular time the perversion wasn't bestiality, but sodomy.



Sons and especially daughters get eaten up by those places so often. I've seen it a thousand times.

Yet another reason why our sons will never go to public school, Lord willing.

I am often too foolish to admit that I soak up the culture that surrounds me. I was horrified reading this, but to my shame breathed a small sigh of relief at the end when I found that it was sodomy and not bestiality. Lord, forgive my sin and preserve me in this evil day!

The man in the video ended with saying "it will get better", and I just remember sitting there gripping the edges of my seat mumbling "yeah till judgement comes". Everyone in my class were saying things like "aww" and "that is so sad". Made me sick.

"It's so bigoted to look down on the self-disemboweling community. We self-disembowelers have dreams and aspirations just as strong as those who keep their guts to themselves. We simply want to share.

"Don't self-disembowelers have just as much right to happiness as anyone else? So why turn your noses up at what gives us joy and affirmation?

"We let all you self-embowelers live your lives. Why can't you do the same for us?"

> It's time for the school systems paid for with our tax dollars to stop bullyng our children in the name of tolerance.

Actually it's time to pull our children out of these indoctrination camps. We pay for the state run schools, but they are not ours by any stretch of the imagination.

Dear Don,

No argument other than we are our neighbors'/brothers' keeper.


It ought to be mentioned that this last week, Amazon refused to stop selling a book titled, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct." Eventually they did change their position and removed the book.

All of that to say, it is only a matter of time until both of those things are promoted in the public schools, along with sodomy.

It happened in Howell, MI, too. But this time the bullying teacher was disciplined, causing outrage in the local news media.

Call me extremely naive, but for something as controversial as this, aren't schools required to have a parent sign a permission slip for their child(ren) to see something like this?

"... aren't schools required to have a parent sign a permission slip for their child(ren) to see something like this?"

Sue, I don't know the law (or state education department regs) on this in your state. BUT ...

In Texas, the Texas Education Agency implemented regulations on public school sex education curricula some years ago which gave parents the option to "opt out" their children from the sex-ed portions of the mandatory health classes. I knew this was the case, and so I was keen to monitor my daughters' registration each semester they were in high school.

But ...

The first time a daughter enrolled in such a class, I sent a letter (always create a paper trail!) to the teacher, informing him that when the sex-ed portion of the curriculum showed up, he was to excuse my daughter, for the duration of that part of the curriculum.

He responded, politely, even cordially. And, he told me he had no idea what I was talking about!

You see, the TEA's regs were NOT promulgated (so far as I can tell) to the high schools, or the school districts. Consequently, the teachers, and (horrors!!) even the principals, did NOT have a clue concerning MY entitlement to remove my children from these classes. I had to produce the TEA regs for the principal, and to challenge him to call the TEA to confirm the regs.

The point: even if Indiana has regulations similar to these (and, I don't know this), it does NOT follow that such regs would be promulgated to the school districts or campuses. Parents with children in the public schools MUST do their due diligence to keep the local school administrators/teachers within whatever boundaries exist.

Thanks for the info, Fr. Bill. Seems pretty sneaky ... write the regulations, but then leave the school districts that they apply to in the dark.

I don't have a clue of the Ohio Department of Education regulations about this. My husband and I have no children in elementary or secondary school, but we certainly have neighbors and friends who do and I will pass this information on to them.

Unfortunately, what happened in Texas might be going on in Ohio, too. I have a friend who is a substitute teacher in the "better" Columbus, OH suburbs. She's seen things like this that she and her husband would never allowed their grown daughters (now early 20's) to take part in.

As awful (and perverted) as the curriculum is...I'm at least as concerned about the child predators posing as instructors. If schools are willing to instruct children to accept what is evil, you can be assured that that school will have at least one predator.

Here's a list of educators in Indiana who are convicted as such...and keep in mind, others haven't been caught, and this list only goes back to 2004...it appears the Indiana Code for reporting these things only came into existence in 2005.


Call me crazy, but my spidey senses started going off when I was in high school...a Christian school, at that. There was one woman teacher who flirted with certain male students (regularly). I doubt it went beyond that, but it was there.

There's something about institutionalized learning that breeds a subversive culture to a family. Even if it's a Christian school, there is this inherent danger. My kids are very young, but this is part of the way my wife and I are thinking about this. It's not about a faithless sort of sheltering, but I'm definitely going to shelter them from real dangers like this.

> I'm definitely going to shelter them from real dangers...

A component of that sheltering should be an awareness on the part of any would be predator that acting on any such designs poses a very real threat to their physical safety. These men should be more concerned about receiving visits from fathers than from the police.

"These men should be more concerned about receiving visits from fathers than from the police."

I could not agree more. This is just another reason in the long list of reasons that I open carry a firearm.


you're always looking for an excuse to bring up open carry ;)

LOL! Mr. French is on to me!


While I understand the concern that the deaths of bullied teens are being exploited to legitimize homosexuality, let's also remember that bullying is very real and the depression that results from it is also very real. I was relentlessly picked on and bullied in school, and even though I was not openly "gay" (I did struggle against same-sex desires, but I wasn't open about it to anyone) it's not like any of the bullies actually listened to that.

I was picked on, humiliated and taunted relentlessly simply because I was a scrawny, artistic kid with a high-pitched voice. It didn't matter that I told them I was heterosexual. It wouldn't have mattered to them if I told them I was a Christian who struggled against my same-sex desires instead of submitting to them (that would have probably made things worth.) In their minds, I was "gay," and they made my life Hell because of it. I never contemplated suicide, but if not for my loving family and faith in Christ, I very well could have. I was that miserable.

We're talking about children here. Kids who are 14 and 15 years old. It's incredibly scary when you're going through puberty and you realize that your desires are abnormal. You don't have anyone to talk to. You didn't ask to feel that way, and the materials out there for Christian youth going through puberty don't really address how to control your sexuality if you struggle with same-sex desires as opposed to normal heterosexual ones. Add onto the fact that there are very real bullies out there who are, indeed, very cruel towards anyone who is different or perceived as "gay," then, well...

I'm not saying we should legitimate homosexuality. But at the same time, something must be done to say that cruelty isn't okay.

"Worth" should be "worse" in the second paragraph. Did I just lisp in text?

College Jay,

I'm so sorry that you had to go through what you did. There are a lot of us that were subject to bullying, because of suspicion of homosexuality, being too smart, being not smart enough, being too poor to have nice clothes (girls, esp. the middle school ones are so vicious on this one), being the kid of an alcoholic, physical deformity, etc.

But I digress. I agree with you that young people, especially Christian teens, need a place where they can discuss their concerns about their-same sex attractions without fear of embarrassment or shame. As you said, these are real people out there (not a stereotype from a book or movie) who battle with conflicting feelings about their sexuality and then are bullied to boot!

If a local church or group of churches won't deal with them compassionately, without condoning homosexual activity, the young people struggling with same-sex attraction may reject the Church and therefore Christ forever.

Just my .02,


P.S. Does anyone know if Exodus International has groups for teens? A group like that might also be a safe harbor.

P.P.S. Sometimes I wonder if theologically orthodox churches are afraid to discuss this topic openly because of squeamishness, embarrassment, etc.

It's are enough to find an Exodus support group, let alone one that is set up to specifically handle teens. For example, there are only five churches affiliated with Exodus in my home state of North Carolina, and most of them are in or near Raleigh or Charlotte. Just five. Considering how there is probably at least one man or woman in every congregation whose life has been touched by the issue of homosexuality, that's not a lot. But I don't think the answer is really more support groups or signing up for an affiliation with Exodus.

What needs to happen is that pastors really need to train themselves about this issue. Plenty of books have been written about it and plenty of resources are out there, but not many theologically orthodox churches avail themselves to them. Instead, they treat homosexuality like every other sin. And it's true, it IS like every other sin, but to me there's a bit of a difference. It's one thing to tell a 30 or 40 year old practicing homosexual to repent and turn away from his sin. But it's quite different to witness to a young kid who is just started to develop these feelings, feelings that come without his consent as a result of either psychological trauma or a biological predisposition (or a combination of the two.)

I just wonder if our youth groups and Sunday school classes are places where kids feel safe about coming forward with their temptations, especially if their temptations do not fit the norm? Obviously, the majority of kids aren't gonna be tempted this way, so it makes sense for materials and education to be centered around stewarding a godly heterosexuality.

But there will be some kids who deal with same-sex desires, for whatever psychological or biological reasons that may be the cause. And they need support to deal with those temptations and assurance that they are no less broken than the rest of us, and that God provides the same grace and healing for them as He does for us all. Like you said, if they don't get it, they'll simply feel rejected by the church, and in turn they will reject Christ.

At work, I recently spoke with a customer who is a sodomite. I told him that we are not as "evolved" today as we think we are with our tolerance of sexual immorality. That in Ancient Rome, sodomy and the molestation of young boys were both tolerated and widely practiced. He responded by telling me that when he was a boy at 13 he ran away from home, was lured into the home of a hispanic man by promise of drugs and alchohol, who then molested him. Then he said, "Back then I was praying to keep from being molested. Now here I am praying and looking to find someone who will molest me". I was shocked when I heard that. He admitted that the sodomy he desires from another man, is just as abominable as what he received from being molested as a boy.

Men really are in enslaved in their sin, and need to be freed from it. As Christians, we make the mistake of thinking that we can faithfully preach the Gospel to free someone from their sin without applying it to particular sin itself.

Here is man, in bondage to his sin by the chains of sodomy. I am a christian and possess the only thing that what free him his bondage: The Gospel. Instead of using the Gospel to free him from the very thing he is enslaved to, I use the Gospel sins he is not in bondage to.

How bogus is that! He's not in bondage to other sins! He is in bondage to sodomy.

This type of "Gospel" preaching comes out desire to be seen as reasonable. I failed with this man. And pray that God would help me care about men's souls, rather than my image before them.

Actually, David, I remember a quote that evangelist Ray Comfort once used: "If you want to bring a homosexual to Christ, don’t get into an argument with him over his perversion. He’s ready for you with his boxing gloves on. No, no. Give him the Ten Commandments. The law was made for homosexuals. Show him that he is damned, despite his perversion."

You have to have a very frank, convicting discussion about sexuality sooner rather than later. But I know several ex-gays who originally came to Christ due to drug problems, or because they were convicted of their pride. They didn't repent of their homosexual behavior until some period after their initial conversion. I actually think Randy Thomas, Vice President of Exodus International, has a similar testimony. He wasn't looking to become ex-gay when he became a Christian, but obviously a genuine walk along the path of sanctification meant that he did, eventually, come to see homosexual behavior as sin, and he repented of it, and now leads a ministry that helps men and women find freedom from this sin.

We're in bondage to sin in general, not simply one particular sin. So I don't think preaching the gospel about other sins that a homosexual might also deal with is a bad thing.

It happened in Howell, MI, too. But this time the bullying teacher was disciplined, causing outrage in the local news media.

Posted by: Kim | Thursday, 11 November 2010 at 02:15 PM

Kim, will you please post a link?

here is a link to a brief story about it that seems pretty balanced from channel 4 news: http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/25743311/detail.html

Googling it takes you to a lot of gay web-sites....so proceed with caution.

(From the Howell MI. Story)

"At a certain point in any discussion in class, you have to make a decision about when a discussion becomes disruptive. … At one point a student in the class said, 'I don't accept gays,'" said McDowell.(the teacher)

The student said because of his religious beliefs, he didn’t support gay lifestyles.

The superintendent told Local 4 that the student who challenged the gay lifestyle was respectful and did not use any anti-gay slurs.

"The student is a good kid -- he's a great kid; he just said something inappropriate,"

The beauty of all this is this is an ECONOMICS teacher.


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