The academy, the seminary, the church, and terminal degrees...

(Tim) Under the post about Wheaton's quarter-billion capital campaign, a reader asked, "(If a man) wants to prepare to be an Old or New Testament Professor... (w)here would you recommend him to study for a Ph.D. and why is this a better place to go than Wheaton?" Taking this as a jumping-off point for some related thoughts, I commented:

The academy has taken over the Reformed church and needs to be pushed back to being a servant, rather than a master. And its service needs to be circumscribed to the end that, once its overreaching has been disciplined, it doesn't have an easy time taking back lost ground.

The first necessary act of discipline is to reclaim for the church the training of shepherds. The academic model has utterly failed. It turns out men whose basic orientation is to avoid conflict. Not to be too hard on seminaries, though; this is only what academic institutions are ordered to produce. We shouldn't be harsh on them for doing what they're made to do.

The academy in its current manifestation is set up to manufacture men committed to being good disciples (of their profs) who will be hired by good colleges and universities...

where, upon arrival, they won't make asses of themselves in a way that reflects poorly on the school where they got the terminal degree. Similarly, seminaries are set up to manufacture men committed to being good disciples (of their profs) who will be hired by good churches where, upon arrival, they won't make asses of themselves in a way that reflects poorly on the seminary where they got the M.Div. If seminaries turned out men like the Apostle Paul, how long would they stay in business?

So, the preparation and training of pastors must be reclaimed by the church where the men will learn their disciplines (which must be learned) in the context of the church and her community life and soul-care. There, elders and pastors will be their teachers and one of the first lessons will be having faith to engage in conflict--what Scripture calls "admonishment," "rebuke," and "silencing" evil men in the congregation's midst who are disrupting entire families.

So where should a man go who wants a Ph.D. in Old or New Testament?

Well first, why does he want a Ph.D.? Is he not qualified to be a pastor? And if not, does he think he is qualified to train pastors? Or rather, maybe he thinks a doctorate will be an asset in getting and keeping a job ministering the Word and the Sacraments?

I'll grant there's a certain type of church that hires men with the terminal degree as their senior pastor, but what sort of man wants to serve that sort of church?

As one respected academic said to me yesterday while discussing this question, such proud men wanting to serve such proud churches should be left to themselves. The man suits the church and the church the man.

It's obvious why a man would want a Ph.D. in math or chemistry or music theory or history or economics or philosophy. He wants to do research or teach in the academy and he needs to demonstrate a working knowledge of his subject, a good work ethic, and the ability to get along with colleagues. But why would a man want a Ph.D. in the Word of God?

As a former elder of mine used to say, "Beats the heck out of me, Mabel."

Oh, alright; if you still wanna know: I'd go to a secular school where men trying to inoculate me against the authority of the Word of God are honest about it. The best terminal training before taking up the role oneself is a fight to the death where a man, against every strategem of Satan, emerges victorious by the power of the Holy Spirit and is able to regale his students with the devious tactics of God's opponents and how God enabled him to vanquish them. I mean, how do you regale your students about how you fought against Doug Moo opposing his work on the Committee for Bible Translation's bowdlerization of the Word of God? Or up there at Regent, the uber-respected member of the Evangelical Theological Society and gender-neutral Bible translator, Gordon Fee (my own New Testament professor).

Put simply, the way to prepare to teach Scripture is to learn the original languages well--very well. So a doctorate in classics would be the thing, as I see it. Then sitting under good preaching for a certain number of years.

Put more simply, I'd never go to Wheaton. Didn't you see my daughter-in-law's comment, that her Bible profs were the worst when it came to promoting feminism at Wheaton? And I've heard this indirectly from others highly--very highly--placed in Wheaton. If you must bypass the pastorate and become only a professor of Bible, and if you must get a doctorate to do so, and if you must get that doctorate in OT or NT instead of classics or history or theology, go overseas to a pagan school where the battle is white hot and the fight will be to the death.

Love,

PS: Concerning finances, I wouldn't worry about it. Make fruitful love and maybe the little blessings will seduce you from your madness. Joke.

Comments

Tim,

Thank you for you clear answer to my question.

BTW - I am a 48 year old pastor who hopes to be a pastor until the LORD takes me home. My question is not that of a young man who has his eyes set on a glossy robe or worldly credentials. Yet, I have known several men who have gone off to study the Bible under pagans - and I have generally thought that they wasted three years of their life and a lot of money. A man who cannot resist the feminism that apparently many profs promote at Wheaton is not going to do so well with profs who think that believing the Bible makes you an idiot. In fact, why would anyone want such a wimp as their pastor or as a professor?

I agree with you that Ph.D. level work in classics makes a lot of sense for future professors (or, correspondingly, studying Hebrew/Aramaic at programs such as UT Austin or the University of Wisconsin).

I do think that some pastors need to gain such specialized knowledge at the highest academic levels in order to help equip the next generation of pastors. It is hard for me to buy the notion that most pastors can train future pastors simply through mentoring them. The fact is, if you walked into a typical presbytery meeting with a BHS and offered a $100 for every man who could read and translate a chapter of Micah - you would walk out with most of your money.

In case my appeal to the importance of having a high level of skill in the Biblical languages comes off as that of an academic snob, let me add that such assertions reflect the sentiments of Martin Luther who was not exactly interested in being a chaplain to the status quo. Any serious affirmation of Sola Scriptura requires pastors who can confidently exegete Scripture in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek. We don't have that right now and the matter is of too great an importance for us to punt if we don't find convenient answers.

Thank you again for your clear answer to my question.

Your brother in Christ,

David

It's interesting that the universities, specifically designed to protect freedom of thought and such, have become such bastions of conformity. And yet, it's true.

That said, I'm not quite sure most churches are up to the task, either--though certainly the faculty of a seminary where I used to go to church, Central Baptist in Minnesota, would argue that being under 4th Baptist has kept the seminary in line many times.

"The fact is, if you walked into a typical presbytery meeting with a BHS and offered a $100 for every man who could read and translate a chapter of Micah - you would walk out with most of your money."

I'd venture even further to say you'd keep most of your money if the challenge was merely to exegete Micah from the English and then practically apply it to a specific congregation.

I wonder if there's a case to look more closely at the "Bible College" model that I know through my Pentecostal background. What the men, and women, got through two years there was at least a robust grounding in the Bible - and a Biblically literate laity makes a pastor's job a lot easier, I would have thought - some useful ministry skills, and for the men anyway, a chance to 'test the calling' if they did have a hankering to go into the ordained ministry.

Obviously, many didn't make it into fulltime ministry, but the grounding they got, would have served them well.

BTW talking about academics, what's the general view around the traps here about Bill Mounce? He was on the ESV's translation panel and is now, I understand, with the NIV's CBT.

If the academic model has failed,

1) how do you explain its solid results in the Bros. Bayly?

2) why are the Baylys starting a college (when apprenticeships would do)?

Maybe an academic model of reasoning could help you work out the kinks in your analysis.

Dear Darryl G. Hart,

If you're going to comment here, please give up the superciliousness bordering on mockery. It's almost a monotone with you and it's not comely.

To respond to your questions, the academic model didn't produce solid results with the Bayly brothers. We are still working to learn how to serve the Lord and His Church faithfully, and it doesn't involve remembering what we learned at Gordon-Conwell.

Apprenticeships wouldn't do because men need academic training, also. But academic training is best accomplished in the midst of ministry within churches where elders and pastors work with the men and their wives admonishing, exhorting, encouraging, rebuking, etc. It's the best of both worlds.

Read Archibald Alexander on the Log College and you'll get the idea. Or, if you'd like, the essays by Frame and Wilson we've linked to on our ClearNote web site. You'll find both Frame and Wilson to be very careful thinkers with much to teach you.

Seriously.

Love,

Tim, do you really mean "love"?

>>Tim, do you really mean "love"?

The rebuke is the proof.

Love,

Seriously.

I don't know that I can advocate the Bible college model here that Ross mentions, to be honest. I know and love any number of graduates in my walk of life (fundamental Baptist), and far too many graduates have learned WHAT to think instead of HOW to think.

I hope, of course, that in Ross' circles, the situation is different, but this is simply what I've seen. Real ministry that serves the needs of a constantly changing world needs a logic class or two.

Along those lines, I'm very enthusiastic about New Saint Andrews and PHC, and to a lesser degree Grove City and Hillsdale. I'd like to see more churches emulating them, either on a K-12 or graduate level.

To Bike - um, no, I don't think the Pentecostals' situation is any different to yours in the Fundamentalist Baptist context! Now that I think about it.

In this respect (attitude to academic learning) the two movements are in my view very similar. Which might spare us the problems of the Academy, but gives us other challenges elsewhere. Your point about teaching logic, or even a course on how to understand a culture - basic missiology, just that we now have to apply it 'at home' - would improve things.

Let's talk about this some more, if we could?

Now Ross, I was hoping you'd come up with proof that I was wrong. Let's get with the program, OK? :^)

OK, seriously, I would, along with our gracious host, I believe, commend to you (or anyone) a real classical eduction (Wilson, "Recovering the lost tools of learning", Wise and Bauer, "The Well Trained Mind", Sayers, "The lost tools of leraning [free!], etc..) is a great way to start. They say it far better than I.

For that matter, a great start for anyone is to learn a second language--whatever it may be. The big tragedies I see in "my" area of the church--KJV only, Landmark, nasty legalism--are more or less the result of leaders who know no language but their own, and that on a good day.

What do you think of Bethlehem College and Seminary's model for education? and I pray and hope that Wheaton changes with Phil Ryken as president. I was concerned when they brought Dr. Wright in for a conference and now hearing about the feminism...I hope that Dr. Ryken learns from Dr. Mohler and reforms Wheaton.

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