The PCA all gussied up...

And it will be, like people, like priest... (Hosea 4:9b)

"A feminized Christianity may work to attract a certain type of man, but he’s probably not the man you want around when the local Imam starts practicing taqiyya on your congregation."

(Tim, w/thanks to Tim R.) Here's an article about the effeminacy of the Christian church, today. The piece approaches the crisis by noting the attractiveness of Islam to real men, making the point that a re-masculinized Christianity is necessary to hold off the forces of Islamic jihad. But if faith in Jesus is for this life only, we are of all men most foolish. We love, worship, and trust Jesus, not because it's useful, but because we fear the Holy God and know our sin, we dread Hell's worms and fire, and we ache for Heaven's joy and peace in the presence of the Lord. And yet...

Reformed men and women need to understand how focused the PCA is on gussying herself up for this effeminate age. As a denomination, we are all about perfect pitch rather than men making music to our God Who is a consuming fire. No Delta blues for us; it's all Julliard, violins, pianos, and maybe the occasional acoustic guitar or mandolin just to keep the audience off-balance. As with music, so with preaching: we allow no danger and take no risk. After all, women don't like danger. It could hurt their child.

But men? Real men don't wake up until they see why they're needed. And that need usually has something to do with danger--bullets, grenades, bombs, sexual predators, heresy, the wrath of God, death, and Hell.

But what have we done to Hell? We've turned it into the Narcissists' heaven. It's man getting himself forever, and what's not to like about that? No scared children. No women having hissy-fits over spiders hanging over the crackling fire. No worms eating a carcass. Just me, myself, and I forever...

Our doctrinal work does retain a modicum of danger, it must be admitted. But only at the points where those real men known as the Reformers plowed the ground for us. So we're good at laying the garlands at their tombs, and sometimes we foray out to protect the hills they died on. But the battles of today? The hills yet remaining to be taken?

Zeal in opposing the dangers of our day is strictly proscribed. We might wake up the babies and Momma wouldn't be pleased. And if Momma ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

In fact, that could well be the motto of the PCA: "If WIC ain't happy, ain't nobody happy."

The only way to understand my brother, David's, work exposing the attenuated doctrine of Hell preached to postmodern narcissists today is to see that evisceration of the Biblical doctrine of Hell as perfectly tuned to our effeminate age. It's Hell lite. Hell wimpified. Hell masticated and ruminated and spit back up to be eaten by the little calf without giving him indigestion.

Until pastors begin to preach and shepherd their flocks man to man; until we begin to wake the babies and set them crying; until the mothers and sissified fathers sometimes struggle to understand what the preacher is saying, and why he's saying it in THAT way; until we begin to have noses that are capable of sniffing out woman-pleasers and avoiding them and their ministries like the plague they are; until we stop sending the sons of our churches off to the Academy to be prepared for their ordination exams, allowing academics to force-feed them their curriculum of scrupulous exegesis and risk aversion masquerading as leadership; until we begin to grow up and take a few steps out from behind Mamma's pants; until we understand why Jesus said, "From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and violent men take it by force" (Matthew 11:12); until then, and only then, we'll have 365 Memorial Days per year, dressing up the graves of the dead while absolutely refusing to take up our crosses, ourselves.

But if we live by faith, the cross will become our glory and, like the Apostles, we'll give ourselves to the work of the ministry, filling up the cup of Christ's sufferings as good shepherds lovingly tending their flocks always have.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being My priest. Since you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children. The more they multiplied, the more they sinned against Me; I will change their glory into shame. They feed on the sin of My people And direct their desire toward their iniquity. And it will be, like people, like priest; So I will punish them for their ways And repay them for their deeds. They will eat, but not have enough; They will play the harlot, but not increase, Because they have stopped giving heed to the LORD. Harlotry, wine and new wine take away the understanding. (Hosea 4:6-11)

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spot on

A much needed post. This should be printed and sent to every church in the PCA.

But if the PCA is so gussied up, as you put it ... then why do you stay?

>>why do you stay?

Hoped to be moderator of General Assembly some day.

Love,

Dear Tim,

Here's hoping that you become moderator of General Assembly, because the day you do, we won't have to worry about hell anymore.

It will have done froze over.

Tim Bayly,

In all seriousness, since John Calvin clearly believed the torments of Hell are metaphorical/figurative (see Book III of the "Institutes"), do you consider him to have believed in a "lite," "wimpy," "masticated/ruminated" version of Hell?

>>do you consider (Calvin) to have believed in a "lite," "wimpy," "masticated/ruminated" version of Hell?

Dear Jake S.,

No.

The deficient Hell Lite critiqued now by five posts on this blog bears not the slightest resemblance to Calvin's doctrine of Hell.

Calvin's doctrine of Hell promotes the fear of God and His Judgment. It doesn't trim it.

Love,

So that everyone here would know what Calvin actually said, and how utterly different it is from Keller, here it is:

"Now, because no description can deal adequately with the gravity of God’s vengeance against the wicked, their torments and tortures are figuratively expressed to us by physical things, that is, by darkness, weeping, and gnashing of teeth [Matthew 8:12; 22:13], unquenchable fire [Matthew 3:12; Mark 9:43; Isaiah 66:24], an undying worm gnawing at the heart [Isaiah 66:24]. By such expressions the Holy Spirit certainly intended to confound all our senses with dread: as when he speaks of ‘a deep Gehenna prepared from eternity, fed with fire and much wood; the breath of the Lord, like a stream of brimstone, kindles it’ [Isaiah 30:33]. As by such details we should be enabled in some degree to conceive the lot of the wicked, so we ought especially to fix our thoughts upon this: how wretched it is to be cut off from all fellowship with God. And not that only but so to feel his sovereign power against you that you cannot escape being pressed by it. For first, his displeasure is like a raging fire, devouring and engulfing everything it touches. Secondly, all creatures so serve him in the execution of his judgment that they to whom the Lord will openly show his wrath will feel heaven, earth, sea, living beings, and all that exists aflame, as it were, with dire anger against them, and armed to destroy them. Accordingly, it was no insignificant thing that the apostle declared when he said that the faithless 'shall suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, excluded from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might' [2 Thessalonians 1:9 p.]. And whenever through physical metaphors the prophets strike us with fear, although they employ no exaggeration to match our sluggishness, they still mingle with their message foreshadowings of the coming judgment, in the sun, the moon, and the whole fabric of the universe [Matthew 24:29, etc.]. Consequently, unhappy consciences find no rest from being troubled and tossed by a terrible whirlwind, from feeling that they are being torn asunder by a hostile Deity, pierced and lanced by deadly darts, quaking at God’s lightning bolt, and being crushed by the weight of his hand—-so that it would be more bearable to go down into any bottomless depths and chasms than to stand for a moment in these terrors. What and how great is this, to be eternally and unceasingly besieged by him?

(Institutes, Book III, Chapter XXV, paragraph 12)

Stephen Baker and Tim Bayly,

Can you explain exactly how Keller and Calvin differ - much less "utterly" differ?

Both believe the Biblical descriptions of hellfire are figurative. Both believe separation from God is the worst possible fate. Both believe that the absence of God's presence is His means of active judgment. Both believe that a an existence apart from God is far more frightening than the physical torments of Hell.

So perhaps one of you could unpack a bit more where exactly they differ? Keller could have written that passage from the Institutes...

>>Keller could have written that passage from the Institutes...

No, Tim would not have written that passage from the Institutes, nor would he preach Jonathan Edwards' sermons; for instance, "The Eternity of Hell Torments." To do so, he'd have to make it his goal to proclaim the fear of God, and this is in the opposite direction of where his article leads. As another commenter defending Tim's doctrine of Hell put it under a different post minutes ago, "Tim is... trying to prevent the doctrine of hell from being the reason educated New Yorkers don't consider Christianity." Can anyone--anyone at all--imagine Jesus proclaiming the doctrine of Hell in such a way as to prevent it being the reason the educated ones of Jerusalem wouldn't take Him seriously, and repent?

Anyhow, if having read the representative sample of Calvin above, you can't see what we're getting at, well then...

Love,

I don't think Keller is trying to minimize Hell at all. Remember, in his essay he believes modern New Yorkers find the idea of a Hell completely given over to self much more frightening than the descriptions of physical torments. Remember, Keller clearly believes the spiritual torments are far worse than the physical torments, as does Calvin.

Speaking of which, just to be clear, do you (and your brother) disagree with Calvin's view of Hell?

Dear Jake,

I've not responded to your comments because you're commenting without bothering to read what I've written. Several days ago you declared that Augustine held to a metaphorical view of Hell, despite a quotation from Augustine to the contrary in the very post you were commenting on. You can keep on writing in this vein and I will return to ignoring you, or you can stop commenting.

I'd prefer that you did the latter.

In Christ,

David Bayly

David Bayly,

Actually, my comment wasn't in response to the "very post" in which you quoted Augustine. You quoted Augustine in the 2nd part, I commented on the 3rd part. And I didn't "declare" he believed in Hell as metaphor - I said I thought he did, but wasn't sure. I forgot about your quote in the 2nd part - you gave us a lot to read!

But getting back the question at hand - do you disagree with Calvin's view of Hell? And it seems Edwards would disagree with you also - do you side with Augustine over Calvin, Edwards, and Keller? And if you agree with Augustine on Hell, do you agree with him that the Genesis 1 account is metaphorical? Just wondering...

I think it is regrettable to say, --" -- In fact, that could well be the motto of the PCA: "If WIC ain't happy, ain't nobody happy." --" --

Because I think as many or more women in the church long for it to be run by real godly men. Many compromises with the world are over and against the objections of many women in the church.

You should change the phrase to "If WIW ain't happy..." : women in the world.

Dear Joel,

Sure, I agree. So what do you think I should change?

Love,

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