Corrie ten Boom, Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Oskar Schindler, and Leah Winandy...

(Tim, w/thanks to Alan) Now that it's safe, movies are made and books written about the men and women who feared God and took action to save the lives of Jews during the Third Reich. Corrie ten Boom and Dietrich Bonhoeffer are the best-known in evangelical circles. Oskar Schindler was the inspiration behind Steven Spielberg's Academy Awards Best Picture, Schindler's List. Too, there's the relentless (and unjustified) attack on Pope Pius XII for his purported failure to defend the Jews.

But back when Hitler was still in power and the Jews were still being slaughtered, who then was making movies about Corrie ten Boom, Oskar Schindler, or Dietrich Bonhoeffer?

No one. Our Lord made it clear prophets don't get garlands until they're dead and buried.

And while, elsewhere on this blog, the debate rages over whether any pastoral prayer should include a petition that God our Father would cause our civil magistrates to repent of their hatred of justice and mercy and bring an end to the slaughter of untold millions of unborn babies they have presided over, there are a few heroes at work in our cities today...

They're right in our midst and they bear the shame of ten Boom and Schindler and Bonhoeffer. They're the men and women, girls and boys who stand outside the slaughterhouses crying out to those mothers intent on murdering their child that they should repent and turn. That we will help them with food, housing, medical care, and love--whatever they need--and that they need not slaughter their little one.

Did you know these prophets have saved many thousands of lives?

My wife and I had one of the precious children they are saving living in our home for a couple of years with his adoptive mother. We praise God for the faithful witness of those in our city who do this nasty work and suffer the persecution. Constant, relentless, endless streams of cursing and profanity with the finger. Horns honked. Fists shaken. Legal intimidation by law enforcement officers and landowners. Physical intimidation by bodies and fists and cars. Jostling. Shame. Arrest. Used tampons thrown at us from the windows of passing cars. Armed assault.

Speaking of armed assault, remember the heroine who had a knife pulled on her while she was trying to stop the murder of babies outside Duluth's The Building for Women/Mothers Slaughterhouse of Choice? Here's what happened:

Leah Winandy, 21, said she was protesting abortions on behalf of Pro Life Ministries of Duluth and handing out pamphlets on First Street outside the Building for Women when confronted by Hall.

“I was there to ask mothers not to kill their babies at the abortion clinic,” she said. “She [Hall] was walking toward me. She pulled out a knife and waved it at me saying ‘Don’t come near me.’ I said, ‘Please don’t kill your baby. Fear God.’ I came to the edge of the courtyard. I said, ‘Look and listen to your ultrasound.’ She turned around and came back with a knife and held it up to my throat.”

And the fruit of Ms. Winandy's labors--what was the fruit?

Mechelle Hall said she never had the planned abortion. She decided to keep the baby after being confronted by anti-abortion protesters Leah Winandy and her mother, Sarah... She said she was stressed out and they made her realize that she didn’t want to end the life she was carrying inside her.

Asked if she had anything to say to the woman whose throat she'd held a knife against, Hall responded:

“Thank you for being there. If they weren’t there, I probably would have gone through with it and regretted it for the rest of my life. It probably would have gone the other way. I’m sincerely sorry for doing that to her.”

God bless Sarah and Leah Winandy. Some day a movie will be made about them. And when it's shown, Darryl Hart's great-grandchildren will watch it and cry with joy when they see the clips of Mechelle Hall's child playing in the park.v

And God bless Mechelle Hall. Isn't repentance beautiful? Thank you, Lord Jesus, for softening Ms. Hall's heart.

And ours.

Comments

Add Richard Wurmbrand to this list. Yes,it was the Communists. But, the man was a hero. His you tube videos will rend your heart.

"And when it's shown, Darryl Hart's great-grandchildren will watch it and cry with joy when they see the clips of Mechelle Hall's child playing in the park.

And God bless Mechelle Hart. Isn't repentance beautiful? Thank you, Lord Jesus, for softening Ms. Hart's heart."

Typo alert. You meant to write Mechelle Hall and Ms. Hall in your second paragraph instead of Mechelle Hart and Ms. Hart.

"She decided to keep the baby after being confronted by anti-abortion protesters Leah Winandy and her mother, Sarah... She said she was stressed out and they made her realize that she didn’t want to end the life she was carrying inside her.

Asked if she had anything to say to the woman whose throat she'd held a knife against, Hall responded:

“Thank you for being there. If they weren’t there, I probably would have gone through with it and regretted it for the rest of my life. It probably would have gone the other way."

Wow. Now that story is the Gospel Witness and Courage of a 1K Christian.

It really puts to shame all the 2K'ers who continue to condemn and criticize 1K'ers for their multi-faceted actions and measures to save and protect unborn life.

How does one find a protest group to participae in?

As an amateur 2Ker, and one with great respect for Darryl Hart and one who can hardly keep my food down when I think of the horror of abortion, I find your post here distasteful, uncharitable and unfair. From my understanding of 2K there is nothing fundamentally wrong with folks trying to keep mothers from killing their children. There is nothing wrong with Christians trying to do so. Murder is wrong whether you are a pagan or a pastor. It is against nature and God. Picketing clinics may not be the best way to stop mothers from killing their children. Maybe sometimes that works, but ends do not justify means. There might be better ways to do this. Preaching the gospel (the church's job) might be one. Providing care for unwed mothers (a citizen's job) might be another. There is nothing in the story above about repentance except in a secular sense. No one heard the gospel, no one believed. As far as we know both mother and child will end up in hell unless they believe the gospel. Moral change does not equate to "Kingdom" work. In a 1K world, the knife would have been in the other hand, the protester ready to execute judgment on the murderer. That is the way of the Mosaic economy, a type of the heavenly economy to come when all who are not God's are finally judged. But it is not the way of the church's economy, which is assigned a spiritual (s)word, and specific duties in the wielding of it. I haven't read all the posts on this blog and have only recently come to it, but I have a hunch you are being unfair to Darryl and the rest of 2K. Nor does it appear that you have thought through the implications of 1K. I suggest Deuteronomy and the last chapters of Revelation as starting points.

Mr. Mouson,

I was trying to stay out of most of the 2K debating here - but you have drawn me out. I find your response here, well, sir - it is quite obvious who is being uncharitable and unfair and it isn't my brother in the faith, Tim Bayly.

It's obvious you know nothing about the work of those who picket the nation's slaughterhouses of the preborn. Ends do not justify means? And what, pray tell, is unjustifiable about peacably standing witness outside of an abortuary?

I better stop now before I get angrier. Let me just say I am so very thankful for the witness of my CGS friends who are so faithful in this work, mostly not knowing what impact they are making. You ought to try standing with them for just an hour. I doubt you can handle the spiritual oppression. I don't know how they do it, I'm just thankful they do.

Kamilla

Mr. Moulson,

Let me ask you this: If you came into your home to find a man with a knife to your wife’s throat and you placed the man at gunpoint causing him to drop the weapon and flee, and then later found out he was sorry for what he did, would you care at the time he dropped the knife the source or the degree of his repentance? Perhaps it would later lead to belief in Jesus Christ, but at the time you care only that he did not kill your wife and you didn’t have to kill him.

The fact is Leah Winandy confronted the sin of a would-be murderer and Winandy was placed at knifepoint. I’m sure she’s happy the woman didn’t cut her throat. I’m sure Miss Winandy was not at all thinking about the degree or nature of her repentance when Hall took the knife away from her throat. The fact that Hall expressed remorse is great; for her, her baby (ya’ think she cares about the type of remorse?) and the brave woman whose throat was in peril. The Holy Spirit moves like the wind and He accomplishes His ends without our highly evolved intellectualization of the matter. We don’t know that this wasn’t the beginning of the woman’s ultimate repentance, do we?

The statement that there are other ways to stop abortion is true, but it’s starting to sound a little fishy, especially when those doing the “other things” aren’t doing the shameful things. Do you think that those who protest abortion mills aren’t preaching the gospel or also serving the needs of the mothers with food and diapers or adoption? The fact is the shame of standing outside the slaughterhouses and begging a woman to not kill her child is undignified and is considered by many as gauche and so is the shame of the cross.

Kamilla, et al,

I did not say (or mean to say) that standing outside abortion clinics is wrong. I think I said the opposite. No, you will not find me outside them. As someone who has lost at least one close relative to abortion, I'm not emotionally strong enough to watch women walk past me on their way to kill their child. But have I prayed in tears over the issue? You bet. Have I written essays about it? Yep. Have I marched over it? Done that too. Given money to crisis pregnancy centers? Yeah. Am I happy that that woman's child was spared? Of course. Am I more concerned that they both will go to hell if they don't believe the gospel? Definitely. Are the protesters preaching the gospel by protesting abortion? Absolutely not. Are they doing something good and worthy? I believe they are. Caring for the unborn is a great thing, but it is not the gospel. You are confusing the church's vocation with the vocation(s) of individual Christians. I'd refer you to Scott Clark's excellent comment after the post made on Feb. 11 (I believe).

Steve,

Dr. Hart has said a bunch of things that will probably surprise you. I suggest you read the rest of these comments and blogs.

As someone who pickets abortion clinics, what exactly do think we do? We read Romans 1 and John 3 each time and various other scriptures and try to give the gospel.

Please, know what we do before you condemn it.

Sincerely,
Clint

Denver,

E-Mail me if you want, mahoney@pyramid.org. In Bloomington, we knew people who did it. When outside of Bloomington we called the Planned Parenthood in the town we wanted to protest and asked when they do abortions, and showed up during those times. You'll often find others there. I wish I could say that you should call your local Pro-Life group but very few Christians ever will consider protesting. I would love to encourage you so please email me and my wife if you have questions. It's a lot easier than people think.

-Clint

Clint,

Well, I haven't read anything of his yet that I disagree with. Usually I read his posts and say, "that's what I'm trying to say, so why are we still having this discussion?, it's already been said."

I am glad that you try to give the gospel at your protests. Perhaps then "protest" isn't the best word for what you do. Honestly, my experience of protesters is what I see on TV, of the yelling, screaming type. I am glad this is not you. I hope you continue what you are doing. If you want more participants, you might want to consider ways you could change the general public's perception of what a protest looks like.

And how many times do I have to say it? I DON'T THINK PROTESTING OUTSIDE AN ABORTION CLINIC IS WRONG. I only mean to say that protesting abortion is not preaching the gospel, per se.

"I only mean to say that protesting abortion is not preaching the gospel, per se."

Generally speaking, I think it's a credible witness to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Mr. Moulson,

For you to take the TeeVee's word for what goes on in abortion clinic protests/witnessing when you have the resources of this blog is utterly shameful.

And you may not have meant to, but you did clearly imply that the work Clint and Ginger and many other faithful Christians do is improper when you said above, "Maybe sometimes that works, but ends do not justify means."

Kamilla

"Honestly, my experience of protesters is what I see on TV, of the yelling, screaming type."

It's funny because up to just a few years ago this was likely my perception too because the media has smeared us so well that people don't even realize that they have this implacable misconception because they rarely realize consciously that they have it and will even more rarely admit it or change it.

Anti-abortion people end up fighting shadows all the time, even with their closest brothers in Christ.

Please, don't get your info on this from the mainstream media they have a foremost interest destroying Christ's name and also twisting the truth about abortion.

It's hard to describe what the protesting is like. I tried to describe it to someone who's like a son in Christ to me and even he didn't get it until he went down there. I can't vouch for everyone but all the "protesters" I've seen are very loving and firm, not at all like the stereotype.

We must not let evil propaganda stop us from doing what is right.

I try to get people to go to the "clinics" then they will see, don't take anyone else's word for it. If you go and find people screaming (unlikely), you can be a voice of the gospel as it should be.

Don't see a wrong and do nothing, see one and ask, "God how may I glorify you in this way?" And then go in faith and look for God's working in others and/or in yourself.

-Clint

I never intended for this to go in the direction of debating protest tactics in the first place. Though standing outside the clinic, whatever the procedure, seems way late in the game to me. (still not saying it's bad) Abortion Is simply an issue to which the 2k discussion is relevant. I guess my original point is that to be a consistent 1Ker you'd be the one with the knife in your hand. Or at least one with words as sharp as knives, so maybe the screaming types are the more consistent with their views.

So you assume we should be screaming and using weapons? Are you sure you're not trying to bait us and then call us terrorists?

I'll assume not.

The work I try to do in my church involves working with the college ministry, the high school ministry and the men's ministry. Outside my church, I try to get other churches to see the importance of this work.

These ideas are far reaching and entrenched - the Gospel is the solution and has infinite entry points before a woman is carrying a child.

However, there is fruit at abortion clinics. Lately God has allowed about 1% of the people who go in for abortions to change their minds. This represents only about 6-8 children per year which is up several hundred percent from what we knew of in years past.

Protesting "clinics" is not late in the game at all.

Steve,

I think I understand your idea that protesting at abortuaries is "late in the game," but I don't think it justifies inaction. It is the case with almost all sin that many temptations can be resisted and many circumstances can be avoided before the sin actually takes place. Those ministries you suggested are good things and necessary preemptive disciplinary measures against sin: "Preaching the gospel (the church's job) might be one. Providing care for unwed mothers (a citizen's job) might be another." Unfortunately, after receiving these graces, some mothers in their hard hearts deny Jesus Christ and still decide to carry out the murder of their children. And other women, despite our best efforts, never receive these ministries. This does not mean that we sit by and watch as parents line up to murder their children and say, "Well, we did the best we could." We must fight for the child and for the mother's conscience up to the point of the murder, and even then minister to the mother in the depths of her guilt afterwards, or rejoice with her if she turns away. It is never "too late in the game." We must remember Deuteronomy 4, when God promises the Israelites that even after they become corrupt and give themselves to a lifetime of idolatry, they may still find Him if they seek Him with all their heart and soul. If we preach the Gospel to someone once, and they don't receive it, we don't give up. That would not be love. We must persevere if we care about the person, which may even mean being present at the abortuary to expose their sinful deed of darkness.

It sounds to me like your suggested preemptive ministries (Gospel preaching and caring for unwed mothers) are simply ways to free yourself from the responsibility of having to go to the scene of the crime itself--a way to remove the guilt that you fear feeling when you go to an abortuary and feel like a fool when someone murders their child despite your warnings.

"I guess my original point is that to be a consistent 1Ker you'd be the one with the knife in your hand."

what?........this statement is so ridiculous, it hardly even deserves acknowledgment.

"It sounds to me like your suggested preemptive ministries (Gospel preaching and caring for unwed mothers) are simply ways to free yourself from the responsibility of having to go to the scene of the crime itself--a way to remove the guilt that you fear feeling when you go to an abortuary and feel like a fool when someone murders their child despite your warnings.

"I guess my original point is that to be a consistent 1Ker you'd be the one with the knife in your hand."

what?........this statement is so ridiculous, it hardly even deserves acknowledgment."

Ok, I guess I'm done with this thread. Unless you are willing to read the whole thread and at least *try* to understand what I'm saying, and quit making me repeat myself, I guess I have to go elsewhere for conversation.

Alex, your last statement, about my "ridiculous" statement, is precisely why these debates go round and round. You should go read Clark's and Hart's posts, the links Clark offers to resources about why 2K is biblical, and then come back to the discussion a little better prepared to at least tell me (or them) (they might disagree with me too!) why the position is wrong instead of latching onto the issue of the "abortuaries" (is that even a word?) and making everything wrap around your issue. I wish there was so much passion about eternal things like defending justification by faith alone, or Scripture, or worship, or the few other things with which the church (the institution) is to be primarily concerned.

Steve

Well one of the marks of the church is church discipline. Should the church turn its eye from open unrepentant sin among its members?

>>instead of latching onto the issue of the "abortuaries" (is that even a word?) and making everything wrap around your issue. I wish there was so much passion about eternal things like defending justification by faith alone, or Scripture, or worship, or the few other things with which the church (the institution) is to be primarily concerned.

Dear Alex,

Of course, the two are mutually exlusive, don't you know? Always, always, always the text or just-under-the-surface subtext of R2-K condemnations. If you condemn Molech and plead with those placing their babies in Molech's mouth to die, you're not serious about collars and robes and liturgy and all the other things that--what?--justification by faith alone hinges on.

And we end where we began.

Love,

Tim Bayly