Children are slaughtered while dogs are blessed...

(Tim, w/thanks to Kamilla) Early church fathers rebuked Christians for paying money to feed their dogs while leaving abandoned children to die on the slopes behind their homes. But today, no one calls Christians to consider the love and affection and wealth we shower on our precious pets while turning cold hearts to the handicapped, the elderly, illegal aliens, AIDS orphans, and the unborn children slaughtered each week at the abortuaries just down the street from our churches.

In fact, some churches are leading the way in making a principle of such perversity. Blathering on about dogs' deep feelings and souls, Covenant Presbyterian Church of Los Angeles, for instance, has begun holding worship services for dogs and their people...

Here's the Biblical explanation given by Covenant's pastor, Tom Eggebeen:

"The Bible says of God only two things in terms of an 'is': That God is light and God is love. And wherever there's love, there's God in some fashion," said Eggebeen, himself a dog lover. "And when we love a dog and a dog loves us, that's a part of God and God is a part of that. So we honor that."

The weekly dog service at Covenant Presbyterian is part of a growing trend among churches nationwide to address the spirituality of pets and the deeply felt bonds that owners form with their animals.

Traditionally, conventional Christians believe that only humans have redeemable souls, said Laura Hobgood-Oster, a religion professor at Southwestern University in Georgetown, Texas.

But a growing number of congregations from Massachusetts to Texas to California are challenging that assertion with regular pet blessings and, increasingly, pet-centric services, said Hobgood-Oster, who studies the role of animals in Christian tradition.

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I guess you guys don't like dogs or something. Too bad about you.

I heard that they're actually going to split because some of the congregants believe in puppy baptism while others do not.

They play the following song every Sunday in place of the Doxology... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17edn_RZoY

Why does it seem some of the most ridiculous things that would seem common sense to a man come from the Church? I guess the answer lies in our hearts and deep need for Christ. This is just not right. It makes me think the pathway to a man marrying his dog for the sake of equality really isn't as strange as it sounds.

Mary,

What's really too bad is your ignorant comment. No where in this entry has Tim said he doesn't like dogs, or that it's bad to care for animals.

You heard something that was never said, yet deaf to what was clearly spoken.

Please, reread the post.

>"The Bible says of God only two things in terms of an 'is': That God is light and God is love.

I think I remember another is, something about a consuming fire.

>increasingly, pet-centric services, said Hobgood-Oster, who studies the role of animals in Christian tradition.

I am reminded that God once spoke through an ass. Evidently He still does. Well now that wasn't too charitable of me. Perhaps the hyphenated lady is a kinesthetic learner?

> I guess you guys don't
> like dogs or something.
> Too bad about you.

That's just silly. The issue isn't that we should not have affection for animals. The issue is that we should never place affection for animals above affection for man, the one creature that was made in the image of God.

I own two dogs. Pastor Bayly owns a dog that he's very fond of. But we know the place of a dog, and that will always be below the people.

Ugh! I guess I better start witnessing when I'm out in the barn to the animals. To think of all the roosters and one 4H market goat I condemned to hell this year because I didn't tell them about Jesus. Perhaps I should hold an invitation after I'm done feeding and milking? One hen did walk out in front of a car and get killed just like a pastor we know likes to perpetually warn people with could happen.

Dear Mary,

Do you milk your goat?

I don't like dogs. And I don't feel too badly about it.

I've worked with a bunch of DINKWADs (Double Income, No Kids, With A Dog), and when they start to wax emotive about their child-like animals, I like to remind them that "In Korea they eat dogs. Dogs aren't people, dogs are delicious" (although, I've never eaten dog; but I'd be willing to give it a try).

And I grew up with a pet dog that I loved; and I'd like to have a dog again once I own my own home. But this is ridiculous.

The Catholic Church in Denver has a well publicized mass for blessing pets every year.

In defence of Mary, one can read her post as being sarcastic instead of evil. Well, that's the way I read it.

I love smoking. Is God there too? Maybe we should hold a separate service.

Dear Tim,

Yes, I milk the goat. It's good but alas we are dry right now and stuck with the cow stuff from the store until next April. I can cope. It's the store bought eggs I can't stomach.

Dear Abram,

The father of the Chinese family who buys our roosters says, "old dog no good, young dog good."

:)

Finally, I'm not the Mary above who Pastor Tim doesn't like dogs. However, if you ask our dog he'd probably say I merely tolerate his presence.

Oh my!! It's Covenant ~~Presbyterian~~ Church!

When I first began reading this, I just assumed without a smidgin of thought that this was a story about an Episcopal Church. After all, it was the Episcopal Church that brought us clown masses, communion for unbelievers, worship of Allah or various pagan dieties inside a structure dedicated (supposedly) to the worship of Jesus Christ, and similar inanities. So flamboyant and frequent are such outrages that when a diocese elected a Buddhist as its bishop, the standing committees of the Episcopal Church's dioceses withheld consent to consecrate him.

But, a Presbyterian church? Even a liberal Presbyterian Church. Please, pretty please, with sugar on it, do NOT tell me this is a PCA congregation!

Patrick asks, "Why does it seem some of the most ridiculous things that would seem common sense to a man come from the Church?"

The answer is in Romans 1 -- not the part about homosexuality, but the part that says, "God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting."

Note that this judgment comes AFTER the judgment that involves giving idolaters over to homosexuality. One might make a reasonable inference that the homosexuals Paul refers to here are nearer the Kingdom than those who conduct worship services for dogs.

What is the connection between this glorification of our relationships to our canine companions and the continual failure of the church and lay men and women in relation to the institute of Marriage? How do we fix it?

>To think of all the roosters and one 4H market goat I condemned to hell this year because I didn't tell them about Jesus.

Dear Mary,

Not to worry about the goats, they were headed to hell anyway. It's only the sheep that count.

:)

>After all, it was the Episcopal Church that brought us clown masses, communion for unbelievers, worship of Allah or various pagan dieties inside a structure dedicated (supposedly) to the worship of Jesus Christ, and similar inanities.

After all, it was the Episcopal Church that brought us clown masses, communion for unbelievers, worship of Allah, various pagan dieties and similar inanities, inside a structure dedicated (supposedly) to the worship of Jesus Christ.

I just had to fix that sentence Bill.

The blessing of animals does not take place in the context of a mass. It's just a simple ceremony to bless animals, following St. Francis and his love of animals.

>St. Francis and his love of animals.

St. Francis. Hmm.... Isn't he the patron saint of Donald O'Connor?

Now I wish I had administered Last Rites to that eight point last week.

>Now I wish I had administered Last Rites to that eight point last week.

Don, c'mon, you know you're just bragging.

Hey I think we missed a legitimate comment from Aaron. That fact that he's participating in something online is amazing, or perhaps shocking.

Abram,

I've been told, by a friend who studied in Taiwan, to never order pork in a Chinese/Asian restaurant.

So, who knows, perhaps a lot of us have eaten dog without knowing.

Kamilla

Mark,

At least I didn't post the photo.

I wonder if this is an open and inclusive church, a welcoming congregation.

Would a cat be welcomed? It seems fairly exclusionary, if not.

I mean, I prefer dogs, but whose to say those who choose to love cats are wrong?

My church is Anglican, not Roman Catholic, so while we celebrate the Eucharist every week it's not called a mass.

Our blessing of the animals sounds just like Brigitta's -- to follow the example of St. Francis of Assisi and his love of animals. It's held on the church grounds. 2 of our 3 priests (the 3rd has pet allergies) bless every critter that shows up. Our clergy know that our parish has many animal lovers and this honors their love for their pets as well as the example of St. Francis. In addition, it is a great family activity and is followed by a fall festival with games and eats while it's still warm enough to eat outside (early October). It's also a very non-threatening way to invite non-Christian or lapsed Christian friends and neighbors to our church.

YMMV.

Sue

No it's ok. They can have their pet blessings (dogs, cats, gophers, you know like very inclusively so) and CGS will have our Authentic Asian Cuisine Night and that way everyone will have somewhere that they can go and feel like they can be all peaceful-like with the church, and we'll all be so darn pleased with ourselves for being so missional, that we'll still ignore the things Pastor Tim was actually talking about in the beginning.

" 'The Bible says of God only two things in terms of an 'is': That God is light and God is love.' "

Astonishing. This is an odiously false statement. Tom Eggebeen forgot to mention that "...our God is a consuming fire."
Heb. 12:29

Hey Mary, if the dog you only tolerate is still young, you might want to sell high to the Chinese feller while you can. : )

Mark...great on the goats, gave me a good laugh inside (I don't "LOL" much).

I believe the original post 'could' lead to even more animal cruelty, as there are many people in society who are cruel and abusive and this will only prod them to do more harm. All it takes is one comment such as this, to trigger them.

Blessing animals is a great thing, and loving animals is even greater.

And animals do indeed have deep feelings. Just observe a penguin family, viewing the loss of a baby. The entire colony grieves. Observe the death of a bird, whose mate stands by her side in anguish.

Animals actually feel more than some humans, because they are genuine and innocent.

This is not to say, that the original post, point and meaning is lost. There must be balance in the world and in a person's life. Therefore, helping other humans, less fortunate, more feeble, is also of the utmost importance.

But while on the way to making a point, because you do not believe in blessing animals, please do not put down those who love truly love them, or make fun of them as some posters have and initiate some sort of 'hate-fest' for animals, who are precious and should be treated with love and respect.

"Blathering on about dogs' deep feelings"...??? I'm sorry, but that is a cold and unwarranted comment.

Certainly not a loving and caring Christian statement.

"Animals actually feel more than some humans, because they are genuine and innocent."

Wow, that's quite a statement. Have you ever watched the nature channel? Have you ever seen those "feeling, innocent" animals rip each other to shreds? (Not that there is any moral problem with that- because they are acting as they are- animals.) Did you happen to catch the lady on T.V. whose face was ripped off by a chimp? I suppose he was just trying to give her an innocent kiss, eh?

Animals are NOT humans. Yes, they should be loved and taken care of, but we also eat them. We also use them (or used them) for labor- without pay!

My family is friends with a very accomplished and compassionate vet whose advice goes like this: "Make sure your dogs are vaccinated properly and taken care of properly. But if they start biting people, put them down, because that's a behavior that they will repeat over and over." She is responding to animals as they are- animals. She doesn't ask about how the dog "feels" or if it is depressed (and that's why it's "acting out.") She understands and knows the nature of animals, which is very different from that of humans.

Katie,

It sounds like you disagree with the original post altogether, except one sentence in your reply (vide infra). What would you say is valuable about the original post?

>"This is not to say, that the original post, point and meaning is lost."
[earlier]
>"Blessing animals is a great thing..."

Katie,

God gave us dominion over the animals before the fall. He killed the first animal after the fall. He created a human helpmeet for Adam because there was none suitable in the animal world.

Pastor Tim's point was NOT that he disagrees with blessing animals. Everyday human babies are murdered before they are born in the US. Lately the big stink here in Toledo is how many dogs the dog warden euthanizes each year. The media reports almost daily on the candlelight vigils being held for these dogs. I haven't seen one smidgeon of a report on candlelight vigils being held down at the abortion clinic.

Animals are not people. If I offended you by making fun of my farm animals I am not sorry. My children are a gift from God to be cherished, as are all children. My animals, even the ones with pet status, are not on the same level as my children by any stretch of the imagination.

Katie,

It seems to me that you are very frightened about animals being harmed. As stewards of God’s creation we are responsible for our treatment, or mistreatment, of animals; but this is not because animals are “genuine and innocent,” or because they have “deep feelings.” They are not, and they do not. God made all this world and said that it is good, and then made Man to rule over it. We are stewards of God’s creation, and He will judge us for irresponsible stewardship. Eating animals is not irresponsible stewardship. Raising them in factory farms, where the chickens’ cages aren’t even big enough to turn around in; or chaining a calf to the floor of his stall so that his meat is more tender; or killing a whale, stripping off the 5% of his body mass (blubber and oil) that can be used to light oil lamps, and then letting the rest sink to the bottom of the ocean and rot (a la “Moby Dick”); those may be irresponsible stewardship. But elevating animals to the level of Man--which is idolatry--is also irresponsible stewardship. That is what Pastor Bayly wrote about here.

Thank you Abram, good sir.

Love,

Tim (or somebody),

Can you provide a link to the early church father who spoke out against people oogling over their dogs and disdaining abandoned kids? I know you have mentioned it in the past I'd love to hunt it down. Thanks,

>>I'd love to hunt it down.

Please do. I've never been able to find it since first reading it.

Love,

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