Senator Biden and Christian college profs...
(Tim, w/thanks to David) Last week, Senator Biden went public with his position concerning the slaughter of little children. The New York Times reported it this way:
(Senator Biden declared) that as a Catholic, he believes life begins at conception. But the Delaware senator added that he would not impose his personal views on others...
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In the interview Sunday, Mr. Biden tried to walk the line between the staunch abortion-rights advocates in his party and his own religious beliefs. While he said he did not often talk about his faith, he said of those who disagree with him: âThey believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life â Iâm prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception.â
With slight reworking, am I right in wondering whether this summary of Senator Biden's position might not bear some resemblance to the position held by many enlightened evangelicals such as the Covenant College profs who believe Senator Obama is a Christian and support his presidential candidacy?
We might rephrase it this way:
Last week, a significant minority of Covenant College professors declared that, as members of the Presbyterian Church in America, they believe life begins at conception. But the Lookout Mountain scholars added they support Senator Obama for president because they would not impose their personal views on others. They seemed to be making an effort to walk the line between the staunch opposition to abortion of their school's trustees and their own endorsment of Senator Obama's Christian faith and support of his presidential candidacy.
While they said they prefer not to speak for the record on such deeply personal matters, they made this statement to the press: "The trustees believe in their faith and they believe in human life, and they have differing views as to when life--we're prepared as a matter of faith to accept that life begins at the moment of conception."
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Isn't that just the natural inconsistency of a postmodern mindset? "Here are my personal beliefs, but far be it from me to enforce those views on you." We've jettisoned the notion of a broad set of absolutes, from both society and the church, and instead have replaced it with relativistic dribble like that from Biden: of course killing is wrong, but I wouldn't want to "force" anyone else to believe that.
Knock Knock...
Hey Joe,
If you refuse to force your personal views on somebody then whose personal views do you force on other people.
I mean if its not your personal views your going to champion then whose personal views are you championing since the views you are championing by not championing your own certainly belong to somebody. Please don't tell me you're championing views that nobody holds.
And while we are at it why are their personal views more worthy of being championed then your own?
Help me out here Joe.
I only just read they Bayly Blog post that indicated that nearly 40% of the Cov. College profs plan to vote Obama. I was actually surprised, but only that it wasn't a higher percentage.
Back in the early 1990s I was asked by the PCA church we were attending in VA to teach a class on Reformed Theology to College students. I was newly Reformed at the time, and thoroughly enjoying learning about the Reformed faith via extension courses, so with only mild trepidation due to my inexperience, I agreed. I was interested to find that most of the students were from Covenant College. I went in naively expecting that while I might have some trouble convincing students from secular universities about the truth of the Reformed faith, that the Covenant students would be of great help. You can imagine my dismay when I found that while the kids from secular campuses were either open to Reformed theology or at worse, vaguely disinterested, the Covenant students were intensely cynical about the Reformed faith. They had been taught to distrust it and spoke often about how their profs had helped them to see it as essentially an obsolete and controlling metanarrative. I actually found myself having to argue against theological liberalism and an instinctive distrust for all things "conservative" from these kids. It quickly went from being teaching theology to apologetics and I came away from the experience disturbed and shaken and vowing that I'd never send my own kids there.
I don't know if it has changed since then, but I'm not surprised to see the continuing influence of postmodern, post-evangelicalism on that campus. I know, I know, its just being "open-minded", but you can track the historical effects of that kind of open-mindedness at other Christian campi that are now Christian in name only. For that matter, frankly I don't want my denominational funds being used to support "open-mindedness" I want them going to support what we hold to be "the truth" as expressed in our Confessional Documents. It's bad enough when your tax dollars are being used to support the promotion and spread of ideologies at odds with your own, but far worse when its your tithes and offerings!
Palin was asked, “…in your view, to what extent should abortion be prohibited in Alaska?”
Her response: “…it would not be up to the governor to unilaterally ban anything. It would be up to the people of Alaska to discuss and decide how we would like our society to reflect our values.”
Regarding sodomy, Palin has said, “But as for homosexuality, I am not going to judge Americans and the decisions that they make in their adult personal relationships.”
(From Anchorage Daily News” (10/22/06) and Couric interview.)
It would be up to the people of Alaska to discuss and decide how we would like our society to reflect our values.
Dear Sarah, society IS the reflection of its values. Thanks for sharing yours.
Thanks for the telling Palin quotes, Mark. I saw that part of the bossy Katie Couric interview, and I had to turn it off. Politics makes liars of everybody, and I am sorry to see this happening to Palin. And if she really means what she says, so much the worse (for her and us).
I wish just once someone would respond to these arrogant media people in a way that would put them on the defensive: "I don't think it is a good idea to cold-bloodedly murder innocent babies in their mother's wombs, Katie, how about you?"
That one soundbite might do more good than some pragmatic compromisers actually winning the election.
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