Barack Obama rocks XXI: Why is he refusing to release his birth certificate?

Picture 2 (Tim) Some claim Obama has already released his birth certificate. But Factcheck is a pretty poor place to lodge his defense. On the left is a vault copy of his BC making it clear why Democrats and Republicans alike are raising questions (comments below LATimes piece).

The simple challenge made at the end of this video remains unanswered. McCain's released everything requested. Why does Obama refuse to do so?

Comments

Some claim Obama has already released his birth certificate. He hasn't.

Tim, do you suppose those at factcheck.org are part of this conspiracy or are they being deceived?

Who's this "Alan" with two Caucasian parents, and what did he do with Obama's birth certificate?

Factcheck can't claim to be a disinterested party given Obama's longtime organizational and financial ties with the Annenberg behemoth. As I pointed out, it would be the work of a moment for him to put this question to rest. He should.

That link to Annenberg is filled with hyperbole. Just because Obama an Ayers were involved in one of its many policies, doesn't a conspiracy make. Factcheck.org has nothing to do with Obama's or Ayers involvement in Annenberg any more than the many conservatives involved in Annenberg projects. Why you would disparage such sources as factcheck, and post sorces such as Worldnetdaily is beyond me.

Factcheck can't claim to be a disinterested party given Obama's longtime organizational and financial ties with the Annenberg behemoth. As I pointed out, it would be the work of a moment for him to put this question to rest. He should.

Put it to rest with conspiracy nuts? Not likely.

Tim, you need to do more research about Annenberg.

Thanks for jumping on this, Tim. I believe we are witnessing another significant nail driven into the coffin of the Consititution, and therefore our very freedom. (And the liberals are worried about Palin's donated wardrobe.) We get the leaders we deserve, and this slick charlatan says a lot about the American electorate's gullibility.

Note the judge's comment who threw out the lawsuit:

"Plaintiff would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted," Surrick states.

Millions voted for him -- who cares where he's from!

Remember the Fall of Rome? Eventually, citizenship became meaningless.

Brett, chill out. You're the one talking conspiracy. What I've said is that no one should trust Factcheck to be a disinterested party.

And indicative of your sleight-of-hand arguments is your accusation that I've suggested we "put it to rest with conspiracy nuts."

That's a lie, Brett. Don't lie.

What I have clearly said, instead, is that the matter should be put to rest by Obama releasing the records just as his opponent, John McCain, did. All of them. And not through his Annenberg-funded connection.

Since you can't be truthful in stating my position on this matter, please don't comment again under any of our posts dealing with Obama's birth certificate.

Thank you.

Brett, do you believe Ted Kennedy about Chappaquiddick, too?

Something seriously doesn't add up about this whole thing, and you're more worried about the reliability of WND.

No, Brett, you need to do more research on Annenberg.

Since when did "liberals" spending the late Mr Annenberg's money become non-leftists merely because of the name?

But, the point was not whether or not the people who run the various Annenberg organizations are or are not leftists. The point was that FactCheck.org is run by the same group of people who launched Obama in the first place. So, for them to tout themselves as "independent" is quite risible.

And the further, and far more important, point was that FactCheck.org didn't even begin to answer the pertinent question, but in fact, via misdirection, emphatically did not answer the question.

Brett, chill out. You're the one talking conspiracy. What I've said is that no one should trust Factcheck to be a disinterested party.

And indicative of your sleight-of-hand arguments is your accusation that I've suggested we "put it to rest with conspiracy nuts."

That's a lie, Brett. Don't lie.

What I have clearly said, instead, is that the matter should be put to rest by Obama releasing the records just as his opponent, John McCain, did. All of them. And not through his Annenberg-funded connection.

Since you can't be truthful in stating my position on this matter, please don't comment again under any of our posts dealing with Obama's birth certificate.

Thank you.

Tim, I have not told any lies. My "conspiracy nut" comment was directed at the articles you posted as well as a comment here (forgers, etc).

Brett, do you believe Ted Kennedy about Chappaquiddick, too?

Something seriously doesn't add up about this whole thing, and you're more worried about the reliability of WND.

No, I don't particularly believe him.

WND is unreliable; they have proven that over and over; Factcheck.org so far as I can tell is generally reliable.

But, the point was not whether or not the people who run the various Annenberg organizations are or are not leftists. The point was that FactCheck.org is run by the same group of people who launched Obama in the first place. So, for them to tout themselves as "independent" is quite risible.

Hogwash...

have a good day.

Tim,

I think Obama is a wicked judgment on our nation. But I place no credibility in this birth certificate business. Why?

1. The guy who brought the suit is a verifiable nutcase. He is the same guy who sued the Bush Administration for being the cause of 9-11.

2. If it were true, somebody in the media would have picked up on it. I would even consider the National Enquirer to be "in the media" for this purpose (viz. their coverage and pursuit of the Edwards story, when others refused to pursue it). WDN does not count, they are internet hacks.

3. The most important point: if it were true, the Clintons and their cronies would have found it, leaked it, and would be headed back to the White House. You can take that one to the bank. If people think that the Clintons didn't have PIs checking this, and don't have friends/supporters/plants in Hawaii local governmental offices, they have been underground the last two decades. NO way that Bill and Hillary missed this one.

Dear Fred,

Actually, I remember talk of whether native son status mattered back when there was talk of The Arnold running for office.

You may be right. There's an easy way for it to be put to rest...

Whether or not WND is reliable, Obama still hasn't produced the original copy of the birth certificate. No matter who sponsors Factcheck, they can't change this fact, either.

Why not release it? It's not as if his parents, both deceased, have anything to fear here.

This is an awful lot like John Kerry's refusal to produce his military records. Absent a compelling reason for privacy, you've got to assume something is up with a refusal to identify these records.

In Kerry's case, the probable reason is that his discharge date is 1978, indicating his initial discharge was less than honorable--which given his postwar behavior, including meeting with Vietnamese Communists in France, would hardly be surprising. In Obama's case, well, it's possible he wasn't born here.

This story deserves to go somewhere besides WND and FOX, to put it mildly.

1) Any comments that are seen as negative to Sen. Obama are called racist. Sen. Clinton could not afford that during her campaign.

2) The second BC on Doug Wilson's site looks like mine. That is an actual BC. The first one is not a vault version.

All that is necessary is for Sen. Obama to show us the real deal. The fact that he will not is not a good sign for the future.

Unless of course Barack Obama Sr. isn't on the Birth certificate and Frank Marshall Davis' name is.

The second BC on Doug Wilson's site looks like mine. That is an actual BC.

My sister was born in Hawaii 3 years before Obama. It sure would be interesting to see what hers looks like. I'll ask her about it tomorrow.

As far as the released Obama one -- how would they have filled in the blanks with sharp text like that in the 1960s? Have we already forgotten about typewriters? The whole thing looks too clean, artificial and modern.

ANY ALTERATIONS INVALIDATE THIS CERTIFICATE -- nice touch.

I just heard from my younger sister in California, who I asked this morning about her birth certificate. She was born in Hawaii a couple years before Barack Obama. [I was also there in Hawaii then, so I can vouch for her not making that up and forging a birth certificate.] Here is what she said:

Wow.. Yeah, I can tell you right now, Mine looks like the 2nd one to be

sure!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly like the second one..

Yep, I can pull it out and attempt to scan it.. And show you a copy at

home....

But the first one is a fake!

She is referring to the two I sent her from off Doug Wilson's Blog, the first being the one the Obama campaign released as genuine, and the second an authentic sample from 1963.

[My sister is a reliable witness and in no way related to Philip J. Berg, WND, or the John McCain campaign, by the way.]

Barack Obama is obviously not competent to be President. If he and his entire Democratic machine with all their tons of donated money can't do a credible job of faking a simple birth certificate, just think what all else is in store for our country under his leadership.

The one he gives us looks as unnaturally pristine as he does, but he expects people to not notice or care, and they don't. They are blind.

Actually, I think Obama's released certificate is what the State of Hawaii would produce today, if asked. But what Obama should release, given the weight of the questions, is the ugly original.

I think Obama's released certificate is what the State of Hawaii would produce today, if asked.

Looking at it again, there is a faint reversed date stamped in the lower center. It looks like: JUN - 6 2007 [Maybe a 5 instead of a 6.]

Actually, I think Obama's released certificate is what the State of Hawaii would produce today, if asked. But what Obama should release, given the weight of the questions, is the ugly original.

Tim, who would he release to? Why is it not enough for a government official to verify that it is valid?

If he releases it to the news media, they will be accused of not being tough enough; if to a court of law, the court will be biased (wasn't that the point of this post in the first place). It would never end.

If he releases it, he will just be playing into the hands of his accusers. They will show all kinds of weird pictures, and have interesting theories why it is forged, etc. The only people not satisfied with his citizenship are those that would never vote for him, and have no power to do anything about it. Why would he care?

Is this the best we have?

I think Obama's released certificate is what the State of Hawaii would produce today, if asked.

My sister says to that:

I know from just working for Soc Security, we would look for a state seal stamp.. Where is his?!

[By that I assume she means an embossed seal.] I don't see any sign of it.

Is this the best we have?

No, it is just a little more to add to a snake oil salesman's wagon full of questionable stuff.

I ask again, with respect: do we honestly think that the most partisan GOP advocates - many of whom will be unemployed when Obama wins - haven't thought about this and are dependent on WDN and blogs?

Anyone who has worked in politics for any period of time knows that there are Clinton supporters and GOP workers who hate Obama and the Democrats far more than any Christian group.

If I had a guess, the Obama campaign is not producing the certificate to keep the story alive. It is small potatoes. The more attention paid to it (with no proof) the less paid to his support of infanticide, his socialism, his inexperience, etc.

Tim/David - my advice is to leave this one alone and continue pummeling away on the wickedness of Obama and his gleeful support of the culture of death.

I ask again, with respect: do we honestly think that the most partisan GOP advocates - many of whom will be unemployed when Obama wins - haven't thought about this and are dependent on WDN and blogs?

Anyone who has worked in politics for any period of time knows that there are Clinton supporters and GOP workers who hate Obama and the Democrats far more than any Christian group.

If I had a guess, the Obama campaign is not producing the certificate to keep the story alive. It is small potatoes. The more attention paid to it (with no proof) the less paid to his support of infanticide, his socialism, his inexperience, etc.

Tim/David - my advice is to leave this one alone and continue pummeling away on the wickedness of Obama and his gleeful support of the culture of death.

Hells bells then ... if it is not possible to satisfy the requirement that we know for a fact that somebody is qualified to be President on this score let's just get rid of the requirement and let Arnold and Madeline run.

I can't believe how controverted people are being over the expectation that somebody actually prove that they are qualified to be President.

Brett,

All I keep hearing you say is, "What's the big deal?" The big deal is that this is our Constitution that we are dealing with. If there are questions about whether the man who is being elected to uphold that Constitution is in fact breaking it himself to get into office, that is a BIG DEAL. How can we trust him to uphold the constitution if he is willing to break it himself to attain power?

It is the work of a moment to produce the birth certificate and put all of this to rest. Why isn't he doing so?

Time for you to come clean. Are you supporting Obama? Will you vote for him? Why are you defending him so vehemently on this point?

Note, I don't think that you have to be intending on voting for him to argue the other side in this, but that is certainly the most logical explanation...

Time for you to come clean. Are you supporting Obama? Will you vote for him? Why are you defending him so vehemently on this point?

Note, I don't think that you have to be intending on voting for him to argue the other side in this, but that is certainly the most logical explanation...

Give me a break Archie. If I were an Obama supporter I would say so. As I have said here as well as other places, I am a Republican and McCain supporter in this election. Perhaps, I'll have to show you a copy of my ballot though as you guys standard of proof is fairly high.

If you would like, I can email you the many places I have argued for the Republican/McCain side. I could forwards you the many emails I have swapped with friends, work associates and family members, but those could also be forged. If you would like, I could take a photo of my ballot as I vote, but I could altar that.

Archie, the most logical explanation might be that this sort of thing detracts from the real issues, which is that an Obama presidency will increase the size of government, fill our courts with Carter type liberals, and further the cause of abortion on demand. The point is that I don't want these ridiculous arguments to be at the forefrount of why we should not vote for Obama.

I would not have expected this from you.

The state seal was applied to the back, not the front, which is why it doesn't show up well in the scan. The Hawaii Department of Health has confirmed that this was a common practice. The Hawaii DoH and other groups (Snopes, etc) have confirmed that this certificate is consistent with others issued at the time.

There is plenty to complain about with Obama. Focusing on this lowers the quality of the discussion and removes emphasis from other more important issues.

Dear Andrew,

Now Snopes? Do you really think I, and all those saying open the files, haven't read Snopes on the issue? Truth be told, you're spending time writing about the matter. Why? Your satisfied.

There are reliable reports that his grandmother says he was born in Kenya. This would bar him from holding the presidency. He's refused to open files on this matter. The Governor of Hawaii has refused, also.

All the man has to do to put this to rest is release the file copy of the BC. Simple. The work of a moment.

McCain's released documents under question.

Obama refuses to do so.

This matter is indicative of the hubris permeating Obama's campaign and supporters.

It's the work of a moment.