Barack Obama rocks XV: Not a Muslim, and certainly no Christian...

(Tim) Each week, our church has a pickup soccer game at an elementary school near an apartment complex where a number of Muslim law school students live. When we're playing, one or more of the men (and sometimes their wives and children) come over to watch, and occasionally to play. Always, we talk afterward inviting them over for dinner and to church Lord's Day morning. A week and a half ago, one of the men came to both Sunday school and church.

Most of the men are from Turkey, but one is Liberian. During a conversation, the subject of Senator Barack Obama's faith came up and the Liberian gentleman said, "Barack Obama's a Christian, isn't he?"

"No, he's not a Christian," I answered.

"But doesn't he go to a Christian church?" he asked in some confusion.

"Well yes, he holds membership in a church that claims to be Christian, but it's not...

His church is part of a denomination that's militantly pro-sodomy and pro-abortion. They believe in killing little babies when they're in their mother's womb. Surely you of all people, having come through the great slaughter within your nation, understand that followers of Jesus Christ must protect the weak and vulnerable--not kill them. No, neither Senator Obama nor his church are Christian. They're religious, yes; but their religion has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ Who gave His life on the Cross to save us. He didn't demand that we die to save Him."

Yes, the conversation got even more interesting after this, but the point needing to be made over and over again by believers is that neither Senator Obama nor his pro-baby killing denomination are "Christian." They're certainly religious in the manner that all almost every last Democrat and many, many Republicans are religious. But Christian?

Absolutely not.

If you don't understand why it's important to deny the label "Christian" to the denomination known as the UCC--what its resident semi-evangelical theologian Don Bloesh refers to as "Unitarians Considering Christ"--get a copy of J. Gresham Machen's Christianity and Liberalism and read it.

And while you're waiting for it to arrive from Amazon, consider these words from the Triune God:

There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him: Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood... (Proverbs 6:16, 17)

They did not destroy the peoples, As the LORD commanded them, But they mingled with the nations And learned their practices, And served their idols, Which became a snare to them. They even sacrificed their sons and their daughters to the demons, And shed innocent blood, The blood of their sons and their daughters, Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan; And the land was polluted with the blood. Thus they became unclean in their practices, And played the harlot in their deeds. Therefore the anger of the LORD was kindled against His people And He abhorred His inheritance. Then He gave them into the hand of the nations, And those who hated them ruled over them. (Psalms 106:34-41)

Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “You shall also say to the sons of Israel: ‘Any man from the sons of Israel or from the aliens sojourning in Israel who gives any of his offspring to Molech, shall surely be put to death; the people of the land shall stone him with stones. ‘I will also set My face against that man and will cut him off from among his people, because he has given some of his offspring to Molech, so as to defile My sanctuary and to profane My holy name. ‘If the people of the land, however, should ever disregard that man when he gives any of his offspring to Molech, so as not to put him to death, then I Myself will set My face against that man and against his family, and I will cut off from among their people both him and all those who play the harlot after him, by playing the harlot after Molech.'" (Leviticus 20:1-5)

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9, 10)

I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler--not even to eat with such a one. For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES. (1 Corinthians 5:9-13)

Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. (Revelation 22:15)

This abortion is serious business with Almighty God.

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"There had been efforts to suggest that perhaps I'm not...uh....who I say I am when it comes to my faith—something which I find...deeply offensive."

The first gaffe may be just barely defensible, attributable to stress, pressure, Stephanapoulos's intimidating presence...

But the second? Utterly indefensible. How easy it would have been to supply the word "Christian" rather than "who I say I am"—and how straightforward. Rather, we get calculation even in a denial of a false charge, and apparently his big worry is not so much being a Muslim as it is not being true to himself. After all, inauthenticity would be a horrible charge to lob at this campaign. The thought of Obama being duplicitous and slick is just so...offensive.

Tim,

And I assume you would say the same thing about any leader who would take the life of someone already born but perhaps Iraqi? Its strange to hear of people being disqualified as believers because of their view on what they call 'individual liberties.' I am glad to see you reaching out to your Muslim neighbors, but is it really our job to say who and who isnt a believer? That, in my opinion, is serious business.

>is it really our job to say who and who isn't a believer?

If you're a believer, and particularly if you're a pastor or elder, it is your job. Please read the Scriptures listed, paying particular attention to 1Corinthians 5.

Concerning Iraq, if we lose the ability to distinguish between the waging of defensive war and the collateral loss of life that is its price) and abortion, no amount of debate will suffice to enable to hear or understand each other.

Despite the seamless shroud argument of Cardinal Bernadin that was so popular with trendy submergent types back in the old days, there is absolutely no moral equivalency between war, capital punishment, and abortion.

I'd be ready to argue there is between nuclear bombs and abortion, but even that's a stretch, really. As I've said before a number of times, though, I am unequivocally opposed to the intentional murder of women, children, unborn babies, and civilians in war.

Tim,

Thanks for this. I linked to it. I really do not understand why this is so hard for some who name the name of Christ to see? Murder is murder. How one can advocate the killing of babies and still claim to be a follower of Christ is beyond understanding, except for the fact that those in darkness cannot see the light.

I have asked several times on my blog what would make these pomos and submergent McClaren followers change their minds and not assist Obama get elected, thereby intentionally assisting in the murder of babies.

I wrote this elsewhere earlier today:

"I asked in a recent post what would make some of these folks become a single issue voter. What would it take for a Christian to say "Ok, that's it. I cannot vote for Obama even if he does say he is going to help the poor and right social injustice," (which he is surely not going to do. Would it take him saying something like this?

"Well, I believe that all families should have the right to choose whether to keep their children under the age of two or not. If they feel that it is too much of a burden and choose to "put them down" well that is their choice. Who am I as a government leader to say that that is wrong? Each family must have the right to choose for themselves."

Would it take these guys supporting infanticide? Is the fact that we cannot see these babies being killed why so many are willing to look the other way? But what if we saw moms and dads dropping their toddlers off at the "clinic" to be put to sleep like an animal? Would THAT finally make us single issue voters?"

Examine the party plank presented below and then please tell me how a Christian can be a Democrat.

2008 Democratic Party Abortion Plank

The Democratic Party strongly and unequivocally supports Roe v Wade and a woman’s right to choose a safe and legal abortion, regardless of ability to pay, and we oppose any and all efforts to weaken or undermine that right.The Democratic Party also strongly supports access to affordable family planning services and comprehensive age-appropriate sex education which empower people to make informed choices and live healthy lives. We also recognize that such health care and education help reduce the number of unintended pregnancies and thereby also reduce the need for abortions. The Democratic Party also strongly supports a woman’s decision to have a child by ensuring access to and availability of programs for pre and post natal health care, parenting skills, income support, and caring adoption programs.

I guess after looking over info again I can believe Obama doesn't truly have Muslim leanings. But yes, he clearly isn't Christian.

I wonder if the spread of the idea that he is Muslim will cause more Muslims to feel that their pagan religion was legitimized by his large support base. In that case it could do the opposite of what those who created it intended.

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