Barack Obama's black church...

(Tim) Months ago I read a profile of Barack Obama that included quite a bit of information about his pastor and church. Change a few words in Trinity United's mission statement and it could well serve as the mission statement for most southern presbyterian congregations. (Thanks, Dan.)

We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian...

Our roots in the White religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are a European people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization. God has superintended our pilgrimage through the days of the War Between the States, the days of Reconstruction and our present long night of federal oppression. It is God who gives us the strength and courage continuously to address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a White European worship service and ministries which address the White Community.

The Pastor as well as the membership of Grace Presbyterian Church are committed to a 10-point Vision...

A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO WESTERN EUROPE.




LOL. That is funny...and sadly too true from my experience.

How tragic--Obama's church is trying to deepen black culture, probably worsening the situation for blacks, while removing from them the one hope that they have.

And yes, there's a lesson there for the Little Geneva crowd, too. How numerous are they in reality?

How many African-American Reformed Christians, Presbyterian or otherwise, are there?

Dear Robert, the danger's not so much among the Little Geneva crowd. They're a known enemy opposed by the chattering classes of the entire Western world.

No, the real danger comes from those who never learned to recognize the distinction between Christ (Scripture) and culture. Take, for instance, presbyterian churches with plenty of African Americans paid to man their nurseries but nary a black face in the pews. Think of all the First Presbyterian Churches in which the incidentals of Western culture are worshiped while those of other culture's are condemned. So, for instance, the organ is king but drums are forbidden.

But of course, it's all a matter of biblical principle, isn't it?

Reminds me of a recent conversation our family had with a PCA man who was thinking of going out as a missionary to Africa under the (a capella Psalter only) Reformed Presbyterians. Visiting some RPs in Africa, he was interested to observe the use of drums in their worship services there. Asking one of the missionaries what gave, he was told, "Over here, it's OK." The drums, that is.

So last week I was with my friend, Bill Roberts, who pastors the Reformed Presbyterian Church here in Bloomington. Telling him the story of drums in Africa, I pointed out that if we combined the pitch pipe used in his own church with the drums used by Reformed Presbyterians in Africa, we'd have it all--both pitch and beat. Then, could the Reformed Presbyterians join with the PCA? Or is there another biblical principle separating us?

Hi Tim, I completely agree with you about the distinction between Gospel and culture(s). It's one which the fundamentalists have forgotten as well.

There have been some sharp comments on this blog about some of the efforts being made to mission into the modern world. One of these efforts is a group loosely known as Acts 29, which is seeking to minister to the post-moderns. Interestingly - given some of the comments at FV - they are recognisably Reformed in their doctrine:

4th point. (sorry to take this a little OT).

How many African-American Reformed Christians, Presbyterian or otherwise, are there?

Hi Ross,

I don't know if you're taking a poll, but you can count me as one: African-American, reformed, continuationist, complementarian.

Ross, David and I follow the work of Mars Hill and Acts 29. One of our former elders here at CGS is now an elder at Mars Hill. Also, daughters Hannah and Michal as well as Michal's husband, Ben Crum, and a young woman from our congregation, Kim Berner, all worked at a Mars Hill-affiliated orphanage in South Africa. And a little over a year ago, a couple of us attended an Acts 29 conference in Boulder.

Brian, how does it feel to be the exception that proves the rule? Welcome, dear brother.

Ross, you can count me in two... I'm half black. Just count me as black though... trust me.

There are many questions about this. I will bring up two which I would like to ask the pastor-Do you believe that Jesus Christ has broken down the middle wall of separation? Do you believe Jesus Christ died to put to death our racism?

I can't believe that this is honestly for real (I read the link, it is). I think I'm scared.

Hiring people to work in the nursery? That's new to me, but then again, I'm one of them Baptists from the north who has absolutely no clue about the South and not much more about Presbyterians, apart from loving the food from down South & cherishing the fellowship I get from y'all.

Will pray for those churches that so reject God's call to go to not only Jerusalem, but also Samaria and the ends of the earth. Yikes.

Has the press ever caught on to the racism in Obama's church?

Wow, the Galatian heresy in the flesh.

Go to the website, and look up the "Empowerment" article in the church's magazine Trumpet, concerning "The Honorable Minister Louis Farrakhan". This church and the Nation of Islam are linked.

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