Other resources on wine vs. grape juice...

We've had a good discussion of the use of fermented or unfermented grape juice at the Lord's Table. Before it ends, here are a few resources for elders and pastors debating this matter. This page provides more historical context, and this page more polemics, for this debate than you ever thought existed. Finally, this page establishes the superiority of grape juice for all those who, like Prophet Gore, are willing to allow science her rightful position as final arbiter of true morality.

Tim Bayly

Tim serves Clearnote Church, Bloomington, Indiana. He and Mary Lee have five children and fifteen grandchildren.

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The only problem is, my dear brother, "grape juice" isn't "wine" at all. How do you square that with our Church Order that requires "wine" to be used?

Two responses, dear brother. First, where has our general assembly ruled that unfermented grape juice is a violation of the "Westminster Standards" or our "Book of Church Order?" Second, were they to issue such a ruling, how much fermented grape juice would need to be added to a congregation's wine before you'd deem them to be compliant? Or how much water added before you'd judge them non-compliant?

> We've had a good discussion of the use of fermented or unfermented grape juice at the Lord's Table.

Not unlike the "Paper or plastic?" supermarket debate highlighted on the national news last night.

> Finally, this page establishes the superiority of grape juice for all those who, like Prophet Gore, are willing to allow science her rightful position as final arbiter of true morality.

Good for the rats, but Paul told Timothy to take wine for his health.

> Or how much water added before you'd judge them non-compliant?

10% - 50% wine, depending upon whether you want improvements in oxotremorine enhancement, or cognitive performance on the Morris water maze.

> This study was supported in part by Welch Foods, Inc., Concord, Massachusetts.

Oh. Where's the Ernest and Julio Gallo supported study?

--Michael

I sure hope that all TA's who use grape juice in defiance of the BCO and Westminster Standards have registered their exceptions with their respective Presbyteries.

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