Marriage, student debt, and motherhood...
(Note from Tim Bayly: This article was originally posted on this blog two years ago, in August of 2004. About a year later, I posted it again. Now, the recent discussion of early and late marriage caused me to want to post it again so those not around the first two times it appeared could read it. Yes, I know it's unusual to post the same piece multiple times, but this work is a labor of love unlike almost anything else I've ever written and I'm zealous for it to be read by those facing decisions in these matters. Then too, I hope you'll read it through to the end because there I have placed a tribute to our mother and the childhood she gave us filled with discipline, contentment, and joy. David and I do rise up and call her blessed.)
Mom Taylor (in blue on left),her children, grandchildren, and
great-granchildren immediately after the funeral of her husband, Ken.
My mother-in-law studied for her degree in Home Economics during the late '30s and early '40s, graduating summa cum laude from Oregon State University. After marrying her childhood sweetheart, she gave birth to 10 children in 14 years. Her husband, engaged for most of the years when the family was young as editorial director of a religious publishing house, brought home low wages, so frugality was a necessity and the degree served this young mother and her family well.
Food preservation, hygiene, cooking, sewing, and home budgeting were part of the home ec curriculum and, along with the liberal arts training which came with every bachelor's degree at the time, these young women graduated with specialized training for their profession of choice--motherhood. Other women took similarly helpful majors in Elementary Education, Bible, Christian Education (my own mother's major), and Nursing.
Then came the frontal assault on housewifery and motherhood carried out largely by a new and powerful aristocracy, the "Information Class." (Footnote 1) During the late '60s and early '70s this assault reached fever pitch and the academy was ground zero. College and university students were assigned propagandistic tracts such as Ibsen's, A Doll's House, and joined the ranks of those determined to liberate the "Noras" of the world. (Footnote 2) Oxford historian Paul Johnson provides interesting historical details on A Doll's House, noting that both Karl Marx's youngest daughter, Eleanor, and George Bernard Shaw took part in its first private reading in London, Eleanor playing the title role of Nora. Johnson writes, the "clear message" of A Doll's House was that "marriage is not sacrosanct, the husband's authority is open to challenge, [and] self-discovery matters more than anything else." Johnson concludes, "[Ibsen] really started the women's movement." (Footnote 3)
The discipline of home economics (also known as "household arts") was an early casualty. Traditionally, home ec had enjoyed a comfortably apolitical niche in the world of higher education, and the guardians of this discipline had every reason to trust their academic peers would continue to be favorably disposed toward a curriculum so integrally tied to domestic tranquility. It was taken for granted that a dignified and competent wife and mother, devoted to her home and family, was a highly desirable constant in American culture.
To the feminists, home ec was anything but apolitical, so they attacked...
The level of their hostility can be illustrated by Allan C. Carlson's account of an address given to the 1972 American Home Economics Association Convention by Robin Morgan, the feminist editor of Sisterhood Is Powerful:
[Morgan] laid the matter squarely on the line. The main emphasis of the organization, she reminded the delegates, was 'to reinforce three primary areas: marriage, the family, and the issue of consumerism .... Now those three areas.... [are] the primary areas that the radical women's movement is out to destroy. So one could say that as a radical feminist, I am here addressing the enemy.' Morgan charged that young women who passed through home economics courses were usually left as 'a limp, gibbering mass of jelly waiting for marriage.' Indeed, by feminist standards, home economics was so corrupted in its nature that the speaker had only one unambiguous recommendation: 'You can quit your jobs.' For those who must stay on, she urged that they work to eliminate the home economics requirement for junior and senior high school women and impose it instead on high school men. Home economists should also 'tell people the truth' about the housewife's role and 'the despair she faces in her life' and 'about the economic bigotry against women.' Above all, those who stayed in the obsolete profession must work to 'change' social mores, not reinforce them. For home economics was 'hooked' into institutions that were 'dying.' Morgan concluded: 'It's your choice whether you're going to crumble with that system ... while history rolls over you or whether you're going to move with [history]. I hope that you will join us--but we're going to win in any event.'
The battle for home ec was over almost before it began, and soon the deconstruction of this discipline was complete. (Footnote 4) Somewhere in mothballs there may be a beautifully preserved specimen of a home economics department, but at this sitting I don't recall running into one person with this major since my own entry into the world of higher education in 1971. A woman in our congregation who teaches home ec told me recently that her professional association changed its name from the National Association of Home Economics Teachers to the National Association of Consumer Education. "It no longer has the word 'home' in it!" she lamented.
The demise of home economics is indicative of a sea change in the thought patterns and habits of women standing at the edge of adult life today. Although elementary education, Christian education, nursing, and even home economics are still studied, these degrees are often chosen for their professional, and not domestic, value. Women make academic decisions about course work and majors with little thought of the value of specific areas of knowledge for running a home, raising a family, or educating children. Instead, the marketability of the degree is primary. Not surprisingly in a culture that disparages motherhood, we see a decline of conscious preparation for this task by women making academic, financial, and career decisions.
Bayly family.
But in lusty defiance of all the rhetoric, men and women still marry, give birth to children, and raise a family of their own. Yet when children are born reality hits: Who will be this child's mother?
Not surprisingly the government's answer is more bureaucrats paid by more taxpayers, trained and certified by other bureaucrats. Thus the Information Class extends its influence to the earliest days of our nation's children.
There are significant economic reasons for our nation not to choose this direction, reasons obvious to thinking women and men from time immemorial. Chesterton sums up those reasons by pointing out that neither bureaucrats nor the money to pay them grow on trees, and that it is quite foolish to set up an industry to do what familial--and specifically maternal--love does naturally; "You are like a lunatic who should carefully water his garden with a watering-can, while holding up an umbrella to keep off the rain."
Seriously though, the reasons for Christians to raise, train, educate, and discipline their own children extend far beyond economic considerations. The making of the Christian home and the raising of children are at the very center of our calling as followers of Jesus Christ. Scripture commands fathers to provide for their families(Footnote 5) and mothers to "be domestic," (Footnote 6) to be devoted to their husbands, their children, and their home." (Footnote 7) Scripture calls mothers and fathers to train their children, (Footnote 8) to teach them about the Lord, (Footnote 9) to feed them the Word of God "from infancy," (Footnote 10) and to explain to them the traditions of our Most Holy Faith while sitting in their living rooms, walking through the neighborhood, riding in the car, and lying in bed. (Footnote 11) God has decreed that one purpose of Christian marriage is to raise up for Him "a godly seed." (Footnote 12)
To purport to be faithful to this task by packing our children off to "professionals" is often dishonest and disobedient.
Its dishonesty consists in the fact that, although many Christian parents give high-minded reasons for turning over the nursing, discipline, and instruction of their children to others, their true reasons are often embarrassingly secular: careers, financial security, and peer respect hold a higher place in their values than the approbation of God and the eternal well-being of the souls of their children.
This is not to say there aren't many Christian women and men who, due to tragic life circumstances, find themselves with no choice in such matters. Consider for instance divorcees who work full-time to pay rent and put food on their tables; widowers whose children are cared for during the day by grandparents; and wives and husbands whose physical or mental handicaps require such attention that childrearing must at least partially be provided for by non-family members.
Yet even in such circumstances the diligent Christian parent and his or her Christian community can do much to compensate, creatively and lovingly, for these circumstances. For an excellent series of stories on just such a family which, while having great hardship due to the absence of the father, maintains its health and integrity, see the series of "Five Little Peppers" books, including Five Little Peppers and How they Grew, Five Little Peppers Midway, Five Little Peppers Grown Up, and Five Little Peppers: Phronsie Pepper, published one hundred years ago by Lothrop Publishing Company in Boston. The first volume is dedicated, "To the memory of my mother; wise in counsel--tender in judgment, and in all charity--strengthful in Christian faith and purpose--I dedicate, with reverence, this simple book."
But in the too-normal case, face the matter squarely and we see that young women today find themselves in possession of all the old responsibilities as well as a considerable number of new ones, not the least of which is preparing for and competing within the wage-earning world for the level of responsibility, opportunity, and salary commensurate with their abilities. If they are successful in this competition, landing a good entry-level position with significant chance of improvement, they must be careful to maintain their productivity and commitment such that they are in no danger of losing the position they have prepared for and sought for so many years. Would it not be poor stewardship to gain the department headship only to lose it later while trying to meet the needs of one's spouse or children?
Daughter, Hannah, with her nephew, Josiah.
Today's college woman gathers knowledge and degrees useful for the world of business, education, service, and health care--not marriage and family life. Still, there is clear evidence that these same women have not disengaged from the timeless rituals of courtship and marriage. This then is the expectation of our culture for young women today: prepare for life-consuming responsibilities in the world and in the home, both at the same time, and then balance these responsibilities for as long as you can as well as you can.
Some men and women are called by God to the single life and are aware of having been given this spiritual grace. (Footnote 13) Most men and women, though, will be blessed by God with marriage and children and are therefore to raise up a godly seed for the Lord. To fail to acknowledge this and make decisions accordingly in the critical years of life is so sad, really. Why should Christians join the world in despising housewifery and motherhood?
When young Christian women are ashamed to admit their choice of school, of major, and of method of financing their education is directly related to their commitment to be ready for marriage, bearing children, and making a home, who would deny that the Church is taking her cues from the world?
Christians ask their children, "What are you going to be when you grow up?" Pity the poor young thing who answers, "I want to be a mother like Sarah, Hannah, Elizabeth, or Mary," because her indoctrination is about to begin.
"Yes dear, of course you will be a mother; but wouldn't you like to be a doctor or lawyer, or to play in an orchestra, too?"
Being a wife and mother isn't enough anymore, is it?
So it all starts. And before long, our daughters will be taught it's not sufficient to dream and plan for marriage and motherhood; they must dream and plan for a professional life--a "career"--also.
But before it's over, the pressures of these life choices will have a life of their own with concomitant (and tragic) results for the woman, her husband, and their family. The collegiate woman who follows the culturally preferred pathway comes out of college prepared to work in a profession which will give her material rewards commensurate only with her faithfulness to her colleagues and employer. Often she will arrive at her first position saddled with the substantial debt she has accumulated purchasing her education.
So when, within a year or two of graduation, marriage appears on the horizon, even if the couple desires to place parenthood above their reputation among their peers or their commitment to the woman's career, the debt accrued during their pursuit of professional training and accreditation sinks their hopes and they realize that having children is not feasible, financially. The same logic inexorably leads the woman and her husband to the conclusion that, in the event of an accidental pregnancy (accidental according to the finite plans of man, that is), soon after the baby arrives, mother will return to her profession and give over the care of the child to someone else. Thus the mother will keep on the cutting edge of her career and grow dull in her God-given vocation of motherhood.
This ought not to be. In God's Household, the pillar and foundation of the Truth, we must do our best to honor the Lord in every area of our lives, especially this critical matter of providing for the Christian home a Christian mother who is well-prepared in every way to fulfill her calling.
Daughter, Heather, with husband, Doug, and three
sons--Nathan, Jonathan, and Josiah.
We must do everything in our power to legitimate--no, to honor--the calling of motherhood so our children grow up knowing no calling is higher. Where is the mother who has found she's too bright for the task of honing her child's mind and nurturing his heart?
A dear friend of mine, 83 years old, gave up her graduate fellowship from the Department of Astronomy at Harvard to marry another astronomer she had met there. Soon she had four children and, as they grew, she devoted herself to those children, teaching them everything possible. She never missed one of their science fairs and, foregoing the faculty wives' coffee klatches, she stayed home so she would be at the front door to welcome her children at the end of each school day.
"That's when they tell you everything," she explains. "When they walk in the door they're eager to tell all the things of the day--things are welling up inside of them then. If you don't get it then, you will not hear it, because they'll put it aside and do other things." My own mother adds that a parallel to meeting the children when they get home from school is staying up late at night, when the kids get older, to talk to them after their late-night excursions.
While her husband built telescopes, observed the sky, and published his research in the Astrophysical Journal, my friend trained, nurtured, fed, and disciplined her little ones into adulthood. Today, two of those four children have Ph.D.'s and the other two married Ph.D.'s. Forgetting for the moment the spiritual side of these children's instruction, let us ask the smaller question: Was this a waste of good intellectual talent? Would those children have been better off--even intellectually--had Mrs. Cuffey completed her graduate work and been awarded the terminal degree?
At this point some would argue for inserting a delicate caveat to indicate that there are many ways to raise children--many divergent styles of motherhood--and that some mothers can do it all, while others, due to native limitations, have to be more focused. But is it not true that Mrs. Cuffey and others following her path have, in fact, chosen the more excellent way, devoting themselves to their husbands, children, and home in a way that another mother of children who works full-time outside the home is unable to? In fact, was not Mrs. Cuffey's decision to give up her Harvard fellowship and turn toward home a decision laden with spiritual significance, not just for herself but for her husband, children, and future generations?
If we teach our daughters the high calling of motherhood and they take that calling on as their own, it will often lead them to make decisions similar to the one Mrs. Cuffey made. In such cases, certainly their own parents, but also the people of God, must be prepared to provide them fulsome support for any steps they take to decrease, that their husbands and children may increase, especially when those decisions close doors behind which lie prestigious honors and large financial rewards.
In her excellent booklet, Where's Mom: The High Calling of Wife and Mother in Biblical Perspective, Dorothy Patterson writes:
Homemaking, if pursued with energy, imagination, and skills, has as much challenge and opportunity, success and failure, growth and expansion, perks and incentives as any corporation, plus something no other position offers--working for people you love most and want to please the most.... Homemaking--being a full-time wife and mother--is not oppressive restraint of intellectual prowess for the community, but a release of wise instruction to your own household; it is ...the multiplication of a mother's legacy to the generations to come and the generous bestowal of all God meant a mother to give to those entrusted to her care. (Footnote 14)
Mud with grandaughter, Sarah, Christmas 2005.
As I write, leaves are falling, winter is quickly approaching, and autumn's smells and sounds draw me through fond memories back to my childhood home and my dear mother. There within that home Mother deposited the warmth and love which was its engine and which to this day causes her children and grandchildren such happiness when they return.
What sort of a home was it?
It was a home where the roof beams were raised to make way for grandparents preparing to die; a home where dinners were almost always late--seven or eight in the evening--because Mother was a perfectionist and had to serve food which showed her love, down to the details of the table service. Most nights, prior to our sitting down at the table we'd go around turning out all the lights while Mother lit the candles. She loved eating by candlelight, and we all got used to Grandpa's curmudgeonly lament, "A man would like to see what he's eating."
Northern Illinois winters were bitterly cold and, while wind blew through oaks standing guard around our home rustling brittle leaves clinging to branches, our picture window framed three little boys sitting at the hearth, roasting their backs as Mother read aloud from the Lazy-Boy chair. Her husband again gone on a speaking engagement, she led us in family devotions--Bible reading and prayer. Then, as the evening lengthened, she would pick up a book and read aloud to us until she fell asleep--often mid-sentence, or until the old mantle clock caught her eye. Jolted awake by the clock's chimes or coming to the end of a chapter, Mother closed the book, saying, "To bed, to bed, you sleepy heads."
We'd beg, "Oh mother, don't stop now! One more chapter, pleeease!" More often than not she'd relent, picking up where she'd just left off. Around that fireplace I was first introduced to the five little Peppers, A. A. Milne, P. G. Wodehouse, and many others.
Summertime Mother's attention turned to her gardens where she taught us to love beauty, but also to work. We'd complain about the work, at times, but each night the dinner table rewarded our labors with tomatoes, lettuce, cucumbers, green peppers, string beans, squash... all picked fresh that afternoon from our own soil. And the table's centerpiece would have been some combination of flowers from Mother's perennial garden, or rose buds cut from the hybrid teas carefully nursed through winter. When, as a high school student, I first read Pearl Buck's, The Good Earth, I thought she must have known Mother.
Though I acknowledge this vision is misty-eyed and could well cause some struggling mothers a bout of depression as they think about all the opportunities they've lost over the years, who can miss the priceless gift my family, as well as the missionaries, pastors, neighbors, and friends who sat and basked in the warmth of our home, received out of the abundance of the heart of this woman who chose to abandon her life to loving her husband and children, honoring her father and mother in their old age, and devoting herself to her home? Can I ever express my gratitude to a mother who was present, concerned, and content within those four walls which were the seedbed of most everything I have come to be? Such is the beauty of my mother who demonstrated her godliness in such domestic ways. May her tribe increase, by the grace of God.
Strength and dignity are her clothing, and she laughs at the time to come. She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the teaching of kindness is on her tongue. She looks well to the ways of her household, and does not eat the bread of idleness. Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her: "Many women have done excellently, but you surpass them all." Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised (Proverbs 31:25-30, RSV).
Footnotes:
(Footnote 1) Brigitte and Peter Berger, in The War Over the Family: Capturing the Middle Ground (Garden City: Anchor Press/Doubleday, 1983).
(Footnote 2) For a sage essay on these matters, see G. K. Chesterton's, "The Drift from Domesticity," in The Thing (New York: Dodd, Mead & Company, 1948). Here Chesteron refers to Ibsen as "a very powerful dramatist and an exceedingly feeble philosopher."
(Footnote 3) Paul Johnson, The Intellectuals (New York: Harper & Row, 1988), p. 98.
(Footnote 4) See Allan C. Carlson, "Treason of the Professions: The Case of Home Economics," The Family in America, (August 1987).
(Footnote 5) Cf. Isa. 58:6,7; 2 Cor. 12:14; 1 Tim. 5:4 . Especially, 1 Tim. 5:8: "If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
(Footnote 6) Titus 2:5 in the Revised Standard Version.
(Footnote 7) "Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4 Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5 to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no-one will malign the word of God" (Titus 2:3-5).
(Footnote 8) Prov. 22:6.
(Footnote 9) "Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord" (Eph. 6:4, NIV).
(Footnote 10) "But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it, and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus" (2 Tim. 3:14,15, NIV).
(Footnote 11) Deut. 11:18-21; Josh. 4:21-24; and Exod. 12:26-28. Also, Deut. 6:6-8: "These commandments that I give you today are to be upon your hearts. Impress them on your children. Talk about them when you sit at home and when you walk along the road, when you lie down and when you get up. Tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads" (NIV).
(Footnote 12) "And did not he make one? Yet had he the residue of the spirit. And wherefore one? That he might seek a godly seed. Therefore take heed to your spirit, and let none deal treacherously against the wife of his youth" (Mal. 2:15, KJV).
(Footnote 13) See the Apostle Paul's discussion of this subject in 1 Cor. 7.
(Footnote 14) Where's Mom: The High Calling of Wife and Mother in Biblical Perspective, by Dorothy Patterson.









Comments
Thank you for your labor. Losing my own mother in the middle of my childbearing years, your mother-in-law encouraged me greatly in my "career". At the birth of my fourth child, I wrote her for some help. She told me that she distinctly remembered the birth of her fourth child being when she stopped feeling like she was on top of things some of the time, and feeling like she was under things all of the time. Yet look at the wonderful picture posted of her children and grandchildren and great grandchildren, rising up and blessing her. Just because we were overwhelmed was no reason to give up; only a reason to look to the Lord.
I so wish someone would have shared these same thoughts with me 15 years ago. Thank you.
I have a favor to ask if I may. I'm beginning the process of looking at places to go to college, perhaps particularly at Christian schools. My dad said that your daughter Heather went to Taylor. Do you think she would be willing to give me her opinion about it if I e-mailed her? And if so, is her e-mail available on her blog, or if it isn't, would you mind sending it to me?
Thanks very much.
Hannah,
Without being too forward or too out of line, may I ask you a question?
Given what Tim has written in this wonderful essay, would you please explain WHY you are pursuing post-secondary education? WHAT is at the other end of it; i.e. what is the goal and vision for your particular future that this higher education holds forth? Do you have a REASON and DIRECTION for post-secondary education...especially given the huge financial sacrifices that will be made for it and the very real possibility of large personal debt for you at the end?
Please know that I'm not picking on you here. You may have very valid reasons for college. But with Tim's post in mind, I wonder if you have thought through the reasons for doing so...rather than just going because "that's what everyone does after high school" or "if I don't go, I won't be 'educated.'"
Sincerely wondering...
Charley
Way back when, during my college days, I was careful not to accumulate any debt. My reasoning was that, while a man's education might be seen as a financial investment, I did not want to have to delay marriage until my student loans were paid off, nor did I feel right about saddling my future husband with my debts. Needless to say, a lot of people thought I was a bit foolish to make this decision, especially since it entailed a lot of hard work and sacrifice on my part. Also, more than a few people told me that I was being quite presumptuous to plan my life with the assumption that someone would actually want to marry me. Therein lies the rub for women, at least back in my day.
On the one hand, we have to be able to support ourselves well enough to live alone and retire alone if need be. After all, it's highly unlikely that our fathers will be able to arrange marriages for us or bribe men to marry us...at least not in most circles in America. A man can decide pretty much whether or not he wants to marry and, if he's a clean, hardworking, decent, well-mannered sort of fellow, he usually has no difficult time getting married, if his expectations are realistic.
On the other hand, we have to plan out our lives in such a way that we are willing to interrupt everything if Mr. Right comes along. A man can pretty much plan out his entire life (I've met men who scheduled their lives and kept to their schedules, completing their educations on target, establishing their careers on target, getting married on target, etc.) but a woman can never plan too firmly, hold any desire too dearly, dream any dream too deeply.
If our dreams are of careers, we may have to give them up. If our dreams are of marriage, we may never be asked. If our dreams are of children, we may be barren, or may lose the children we conceive. No matter what our lifelong dreams may have been, we may have to give them all up because our husband finds them not to his liking.
We must be willing to sacrifice all. And yet, at the same time, there are those who claim that women do not love sacrifcially...
Rebecca,
What an interesting comment:
>>>>>>>>>>>If our dreams are of careers, we may have to give them up. If our dreams are of marriage, we may never be asked. If our dreams are of children, we may be barren, or may lose the children we conceive. No matter what our lifelong dreams may have been, we may have to give them all up because our husband finds them not to his liking.
As a faculty member at a small liberal arts university with high admission standards and a driven, hardworking, student body, it has been interesting for me to notice how the young women are so often characterized by what I have termed "mother-hunger." This is not the opposite of the "father-hunger" that Tim speaks of, the desire for a loving father. Rather, they want to be mothers to my children.
These aren't spineless girls that have been following the path of least resistence, they are the valedictorians, the three-sport atheletes, the pre-med biology majors. I've observed this mother-hunger in various ways, but most tangibly when I sent out an email to a Christian ministry to ask for some regular babysitting for our boys (2.5 and 9 months) here are some of the responses:
"I am incredibly interested in babysitting your sons! I just spent the summer babysitting an eight month old, two, and three year old and miss it so much."
"I absolutely love kids and I would love to baby-sit your children."
"I'd be thrilled to babysit for them!!"
"I would LOVE to babysit for you! I've had a lot of babysitting experience in the past, and absolutely enjoy taking care of kids."
I received 17 responses in 24 hours.
I am encouraged to see such a desire among young women to care for children, but it saddens me to know that most will leave this place with well over $50,000 of debt, and no preparation for what they want so much to do.
In our homeschool school (try to explain that concept to the MSM) we graduated 54 students last May. As part of the ceremony, and perhaps a vestige of our small beginnings, each senior was given 2 minutes that detailed their future plans. Many of the graduating women, made no bones about wanting to get married, and forgoing college. My own identical twin daughters, whom I had insisted must apply to 23 schools, asked me why I should send them to college, if they just wanted to be mothers anyway.
I was proud of them. Proud that Tim Bayly's ode to motherhood was being repeated across America. Proud that the homeschooling movement had caught the wind of the spirit, and was under full sail. But I still had to answer their question.
Does college prepare one for motherhood? Is there a major that a big secular school can offer which at a minimum "does no harm"? Why was I sending them off to school (850 miles away!)? What major should they take?
My answer, and I would have rejected it at their age too, was that education made for better mothering, and that education made for better quality courting. I know that is why so many of my classmates went to Wheaton, yet it always seemed too shallow then and now. If courtship is all we need college for, surely we could make do with a church singles class, at a much better price, for the average college education, we could afford an entire building dedicated to "singles ministry".
So my challenge to you, Tim, is to explain how your high view of motherhood fits in with the traditional American "coming of age" experience of higher education. Is it compatible? Do we need to change it? What would we put in its place?
- rob
Jessica, thanks so much for your kind words. You made an excellent point about the difference between men and women "looking" for a spouse. I've noticed that it is considered a good thing when a young man lets everyone at church know that he is actively seeking a wife. But if a young woman expresses an equally fervent desire to be married, people grow uncomfortable. She is said to be too eager, almost desperate. A young man can announce that he is looking for a wife, and young women will be instantly drawn to him. If a young woman were to announce that she was looking for a husband, men would flee --- even ones who had just announced that they were looking for wives.
I've not quite figured this out. Perhaps there is some wisdom to all those old adages about men enjoying the hunt, women playing hard to get, etc.
Men don't seem to want a woman who has merely been sitting around waiting for Prince Charming. As you said, "it seems that it's better for a woman to employ her unmarried time pursuing something that makes her worth being pursued."
Eric, I've noticed the same sort of thing. I've always referred to it as "baby hunger". Surprisingly, once in a while I notice it among boys and young men as well, although that's usually with guys who have grown up with much younger siblings. For example we once shared dinner and the gospel with two young Mormon missionaries who later admitted that they accepted the dinner invitation not so much for the home-cooked meal, but because they looked forward to having dinner with our little tykes. They missed their young siblings so much, and it had been so long since either of them had held a baby!
Rebecca raises many interesting and pertinent points.
It's risky enough, in this age of degenerate morals and loose commitments, for an adult woman to independently choose to entrust her fortunes to a specific, known man. But for parents to plan their daughter's life, far in advance, so that they will be forced to eventually entrust her fortunes to some hypothetical, unknown man? Given contemporary social conditions, that's utterly foolhardy. The reality is that nobody will be there to pick up the pieces if things don't go as planned. Outside of a few small, extremist enclaves, the church is simply unwilling to back single, abandoned or widowed women up in the choice to do otherwise than maximize their earnings - even if they have small children to care for! The parents may be willing, but they're not always alive or able by the time the situation comes up. And they more than likely have been so brainwashed by our society's economic individualism that this kind of assistance will seem like facilitating irresponsibility - and many in the church will tell them so. They may even damage their daughter's marriage prospects with the great majority of Christian men who are more conventionally minded.
So: on one level, Tim, you are absolutely right. But in a society so atomized and allergic to mutual aid that many people's eighteenth birthday present from Mom and Dad is a bill for "rent" on their bedroom, you can't realistically recommend that one group of people (young women) unilaterally forswear economic self-help. Not without breeding resentments like those Rebecca seems to be expressing. Still less can you put this recommendation in terms that suggest it is overwhelmingly a matter of a woman's personal character, without reference to the moral choices of the many other parties involved - young men planning to marry; parents; the "Christian" educators who happily handed us the loan forms to sign without a word about how this would mesh with the family values they were supposedly teaching; the brothers and uncles and in laws and church leaders and members in probably 99% of the churches in this country who, if a widow or innocent divorcee asked their material help in keeping her kids out of daycare, would simply look at her as if she'd gone insane. If you are interested in helping and protecting women - and I think you are - then this kind of exhortation should be not a starting point, but one of the end points of a much broader program of reform. I know you take your blog project quite seriously, but the unflattering reality is that girls are in no position to demand financial support beyond the customary age because they found a blogging theologian who taught them to have scruples on the subject. In most homes and churches - even staunchly "conservative" ones - the suggestion is so absurd they'd be foolish to even broach it. You show some awareness of this consideration, but in passing and towards the end. In fact it's the core of the issue, or very close to it.
Charley,
Thank you for your thoughts. I'm more than happy to respond to your questions.
First off though, while Mr.Bayly was promoting the lost art of being a stay at home mother and a Godly wife, he still mentioned the fact that his mother-in-law got a college degree.
I think I have several valid reasons for getting a college education. I would like to say that first and foremost, my heart's desire is to get married and be a stay at home mom to my kids. However, God has not told me personally that I'll meet the man of my dreams right after I graduate high school and that I'll live happily ever after. If I don't get married, I'll need some way of supporting myself. By getting a college degree I will be increasing the likelihood of finding a decent job and one that pays more than minimum wage (i.e. saving me from 60 years of working at McDonalds).
Or let's say I get married. What happens if I'm 35 with six kids and something happens to my husband? He's no longer there to support the family. By having a college degree and thus presumably finding a better paying job, I will more adequately be able to support my family.
I have a grandmother who was a home-ec major at Iowa State University. She taught school until she started her family, at which point she stayed home with her kids. My mom got her teaching degree from the University of Iowa. She was able to help put my dad through medical school, and when she had kids, she was able to stay home with us.
I am in no way a feminist. I'm homeschooled and in many ways feel like I would have been better suited to living in the 1800s, due to my rather unconventional desire to be a Godly wife and mother. Even so, I want to be prepared for the future in case things don't happen exactly as I plan them.
I hope that answers your question.
In Christ,
Hannah Caylor
Excellent response, Hannah. And of course, Heather would love to talk to you about her college days at Taylor. I've sent you an E-mail with her contact information--give her a call or yell by E-mail.
Also, Rebecca, Rob, and Elizabeth, your exchange is very helpful. The issues are complicated and lend themselves to individualized decisions.
Without being dismissive of college and the BS and BA, let's admit that being committed to the value of critical thinking, knowledge, and wisdom is not the same as being committed to the academy of our time.
Hannah,
Thanks for responding, and I know you aren't a feminist. Please know that I'm not trying to insult you in any way, but rather to challenge you to defend your position, preferably Biblically rather than by pragmatism. But also remember that feminism is so ingrained in our culture that we make many of our assumptions based on feminist ideas without even realizing it...so you MUST consider the underlying assumptions upon which you are making your decisions and ensure they are soundly based on BIBLE!!!
Your underlying assumption is that you must leave home. Why? What is the Biblical pattern, precept, or command that directs you that way?
Another underlying assumption is that you must work outside the home rather than prepare to be a wonderful homemaker like Mr. Bayly profiles at the end of his post. That sort of person doesn't just "happen"...she is trained! And many, many people are blessed by her...and she shows Christ to people in a far more real way than most!!!
Part of your argument is that others have done it. So? Again...what is the Biblical pattern, precept, or command that directs you that way? Your examples tended to have pragmatic reasoning (mom put dad through school...which isn't necessarily a bad thing!).
Why do you need a way to support yourself? Again...what is the Biblical pattern, precept, or command that directs you to do so...espcecially when you have an intact, loving family?
The "what happens if my husband dies or leaves me" argument is very common. The ugly truth is that, except for a few very particular degrees, in middle age, a college education that isn't accompanied by work experience won't get you a job anywhere other than the mall! Instead, the answer to this is for your family (dad, in particular) to be involved in your courtship, and one of the things he should ensure is that your prospective husband understands the importance of remaining out of debt and of having sufficient term life insurance so that you will have a home and money should he die.
So what if he's a clod and leaves you? Again, your degree most likely will not lead to a family-supporting job at that phase of your life. What if your father took the money he would have spent on college (around $100,000 or more for most private colleges these days) and instead invested it for you? Or used it to buy a small apartment complex that you could learn to manage. By the time you are in your mid-thirties, that complex would be paid for and you would have a very substantial source of regular income...more than you could possibly make at an entry-level job with a 15-year-old degree!
You still didn't answer the question about what you are actually going to college for...i.e. what major, and what is at the other end of that particular major. The last thing our country needs is another psychology or social worker major because the person doesn't know what else to do (I have a sister who did that...now she's a massage therapist!).
So my challenge is...think outside the box! Think entrepreneurially. Think of how to develop skills that will someday help you be a helpmeet to your husband. Think of how to develop skills that will right now allow you to show the Christian hospitality that is so woefully lacking in our culture...including in our evangelical culture!
Looking forward to the dialog!
Blessings,
Charley
This is frustrating to read. I would MUCH rather be married right now than be single and in graduate school. However, I am rarely asked out on dates, much less proposed to. I would have spent the last 7 years of my life working as a secretary and waiting to get married? That is ludicrous. I LOVE school and I love learning. I am now a teacher with nearly a master's degree, and yes, I have student debt from graduate school. I didn't want it, but I do not have the supportive family background that would be ideal.
All I want is to become a mother, and have been engaged once and close to it a second time...only to be dumped because the men I dated were immature and unable to commit in their mid-twenties. I am 25 and am quite jealous of my friends who are married and having children at my age or younger. I yearn for that SO much, yet I feel that I am right to follow the desires of my heart right now, which are to teach and grow in my relationship to Christ.
No one ever suggested these things to me, and if they had, I might say, OK, then, arrange a marriage for me, because I do not want to spend the most active, vital years of my life working a sub-standard job and boring myself to death. I could barely tolerate a less challenging job for a year, much less 7. Perhaps I could have gone to the mission field home or abroad, but in principle, how is that any different (besides the debt) than training towards teaching? I don't want to always work, I don't want "a career," but neither God nor the world presented any other options.
I am 100% in favor of stay-at-home motherhood...but how can I do that without children? Why prepare myself for a marriage that may never happen? For children I may never have?
EDIT:
I would also like to say that I do not have a supportive, intact family, and that finding a job to support myself was a necessity. $7/hr. jobs are hardly enough to support a single person these days. I would also like to argue that, had my own mother not gotten a college degree, when my dad left us, she would have been unable to support us. Both of my parents were raised in poor conditions, and my grandparents were far from able to invest anything in their education or an apartment complex.
I wish the world as yall described it exists...but it never has for me! Live in the real world for awhile, please.
Dear Meagan,
I'm very sorry you have found this post discouraging. No question, you are doing the right thing by all indications. It was not my intention to discourage college or graduate school, but rather to discourage whatever is done without consideration of a likely future of marriage and children. So, for instance, taking on $50-100K of debt toward a law degree when one is aiming at marriage and motherhood seems to me to be questionable. But even in this case, there might well be good exceptions.
May God grant a young Christian man the privilege of becoming your husband and the father of your children. Meanwhile, teach with all your godliness and wisdom and continue learning! What better skills could a future mother gain than a broad knowledge of history, mathematics, or rhetoric combined with years of experience teaching others' children?
Wait on the Lord and in His time He will provide, as many will testify who were in your same position. My friend, Cheryl Neef, for instance, who taught into her thirties and then became Gale Neef's bride, is one of the best wives and mothers I know. But neither she nor Gale jumped the gun.
With prayer,
Tim Bayly
Tim- I have a question for you. I'd be delighted if you'd do an entire post on it, but even a response via comments would be great.
I have many godly single women friends, all of whom would like to be married but are without even a single prospect among them. What is the appropriate role of a single woman, particularly one who is desiring a husband? More specifically, how forward is she allowed to be? I mean, we all say wait for the Lord, His timing is perfect, occupy yourseld with other things, etc. ...and I think most of the time, that all may be fine advice. But I seem to recall a certain woman named Ruth who DID kind of take things into her own hands. Is there a place for women being that forward? Even with a man with whom you've never actually discussed marriage or dated? What are your thoughts on this?
As an example, one of my friends is 35, has been on the mission field for 11+ years, and has a burdened heart for a husband and is waiting ... but should she be doing more?
Dear Jessica,
Thanks for these questions. They're hard.
I've posted something of a response on the main page under the title, "Single Christian women: how should we then wait?"
Warmly,
Tim Bayly
Thanks for the comments Rebecca and Meghan. I have so much to say on these things but it would be really long. To make a long story short, I think a woman's education is incredibly important. The woman will be a helpmate to her husband so she must be intelligent and insightful to be able to be a Godly counselor to him. Also, she will homeschool or at least be a huge part of the early development of her children and education will help that.
A woman or a man has to consider their future family and even their parents if you want to help them in their old age. My wife and I had no help for college from our parents. Stupidly, we went to Vanderbilt University for we'd both planned to be doctors thinking somehow we'd never meet people weird enough to want to marry us. God gave me the woman of my dreams shortly after my 18th birthday. I was a very new Christian with no understanding so tried to prevent my wife giving up her acceptance to Vanderbilt medical school thinking that I couldn't ask her to give up that sort of opportunity - she did it without hesitation never looking back. 14 years and 5 kids later, we're very happy and in the end, our college was useless. I had to give up my career plans too because we both knew that either of us being a doctor would most likely lead to huge debt and a difficult or impossible home life. I wasn't asking my wife to give up anything I wasn't willing to give up too. Few people, men or women, can balance a big career and family - it's a myth that the world tries to put on us. Also, I couldn't feel right about taking out more debt when I already had quite a bit from college that today is still crushing us. I've given up better paying jobs that require more time away from family - a degree wouldn't help that. I don't think either of us needed college at all but instead we both wish we'd gone to a cheap school that was supportive of students of limited means. We're teaching our kids to work their way through college and intern as much as possible to learn practical skills that college won't give - in the end the goal I think we'll meet is that our kids will finish two or more years of college through homeschooling then do the rest of a BA/S by working their way through to finish at 20. If they get good enough grades they can get a fellowship or GA/TA to pay their way through otherwise they can work during grad school. My pastor's wife partly worked her way through college and was a business professor when she met her husband - she had more money, I believe, than he did and she quickly gave up her career to stay home with their children so she had a good career but I think she took longer to get it so that she didn't have to rack up debt. What's good for a woman is also good for the husband in almost all cases. Both need to carefully consider college.
Now that we're on better footing, I've considered going back to college for that grad degree job I've always wanted but I've decided instead to invest money into something I can start while keeping my full-time job. The investment would involve our entire family working together (sometimes during the kids' homeschooling day) and coming closer to each other and God. This way I can teach my sons and daughters a trade which can support them for a lifetime and also pay their way through college while also allowing us to spend more time together as a family - this is what homeschooling and being a Christian is all about. In the end I hope we'll have enough money to do more of God's work. These are all things our parents never taught us but we're learning now in time for our kids to benefit. I hope things go well for both of you - God has a good plan for you even if it's not what you expect.
Add new comment